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Post by Al Truest on Jan 30, 2004 14:34:37 GMT
I challenge all the new members to read this thread and weigh in.
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Sven Golly
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Post by Sven Golly on Apr 7, 2004 12:15:00 GMT
The clerk at the new age store that I recently visited, brought up how she selected rocks based on their vibrations, We talked a bit about lingering spirits and how we are all respond differently. This makes some sense to me. Some of us are more receptive to specific stimuli than others. I do not discount the existience of spirtual energy.
Some points are made earlier in this thread ( Al? ) about how people leave a vibrating energy after their demise - be it positive or negative. Hitler and Jesus both have supporters that seem to keep their spirits alive. You can feel the hate from Neo-Nazi's. Likewise the love is perceptible from some religious people ( including all faiths ) However, the inability for some of us to 'pick-up' on the vibe of either camp can lead to trouble. If I only could, I'd make a deal with God....
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Post by Neo Stella on Apr 7, 2004 23:32:09 GMT
Sven, I do enjoy your humour, yet I can't help thinking it is only the icing on a rich fruit cake.
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Post by Sven Golly on Apr 8, 2004 0:45:44 GMT
Sven, I do enjoy your humour, yet I can't help thinking it is only the icing on a rich fruit cake. That's rich - fruit cake - WTF are you talking about?
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Post by Cathy on Jan 10, 2005 13:29:20 GMT
I don't know what to believe...
I didn't believe at all until my friend told me this story. Her brother died last year, took a drug overdose. At the funeral, at his mum's request, nobody was allowed to see the body, not even the family. SHe wanted him remembered as he was when he was alive, not lying in the casket. She was the only person (and the undertaker of course) who knew what clothes he was wearing in the casket. For months after his death, his mother kept telling my friend that she thought he was lost, and didn't know where he was going. This confused my friend, but her mum stopped it after a while so she never said anything more of it. Then, her mother told her something which she then told me, which proves that ghosts/spirits/afterlife exists. She was called at work by a medium who she had never met before.THe medium told her that her dead son had contacted her and asked her to contact his mother. He said he was lost, and scared, and that was why she was feeling so tense, and that when the tension went she would know he had found his way. The mum didn't believe the medium to start with, but then the medium passed on another message - that her son thought the clothes he was wearing were 'cool'. The medium then listed EVERY item of clothing he had been wearing in the casket. Suddenly the mother went cold and numb all down her left side. 'Are you ok?' the medium asked. She said yes, not mentioning the cold feeling. The medium then said 'That cold feeling you're experiencing - that is your son. He's standing next to you right now'.....proof enough? I don't know, but how else do you explain?
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Post by vampira on Mar 23, 2005 23:57:09 GMT
I'm a believer ... just not as strongly as I was a few years ago.
The "paranormal" experiences I've had have been very mundane, no blood-splattered, headless apparitions, just some very evil faces appearing at me out of the clouds in the playground at school once, and, in adult life, a truly desperate feeling in the cellars of a supposedly haunted pub. There's been other, less tangible weirdness, but those are a couple to get on with.
The fact that i don't believe as strongly now is because I've spent since the 'nineties researching "real" ghost and vampire cases, and meeting the self-proclaimed experts I did, and seeing how some of them blatantly twist "facts" to support their theories ... it just became distasteful to me. I do not believe that many of the people who build a career out of their ghosts and vampires are in the least bit sincere. It's just a means of getting their photo in the papers, feeling important, flogging books .... etc. No crime in that, I guess, but it gets us nowhere with the "Do they or don't they exist?" question.
At least that's how certain of those person's I've encountered struck me.
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Post by RA on Apr 10, 2005 19:35:29 GMT
Ghosts - like things with white sheets that go......... oooooooaahhhh ooaahhhhhhhh ahhhh NO !!! BUT trailing energy YES................. I used to work as a carer and often recount this story in gratitude which to some might sound odd. I was lucky enough to witness a gentle old man leave this world - he died when I left his room for a second to fetch a towel - literally moments later as I walked back in he was gone. Now that, in itself, could be unsettling but what was very apparent to me was that his body was still in the room but his presence most definately wasnt. The energy from the man had left...........gone........ When I've thought about that over the years it has given me some comfort. I think occasionally it happens that the energy remains and fades (that maybe is a ghost). I will end there - many other experiences on the 'spirit' but that is my view on ghosts. OOooooooooooarghhhhhhhh
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Post by stev0 on Aug 14, 2005 16:02:03 GMT
I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, etc.
I wish I did - I live in a house that's 300 (yes, three hundred) years old. If any house would have ghosts, it should be this one. I would LOVE to see a ghost - but so far, nada.
I also once spent Halloween in a haunted castle (really!) but didn't see any ghosts there, either.
As for spirits - I believe people have really think they felt them, just as I believe people have really cured their headaches by eating a sugar pill a doctor said would cure their headache.
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 14, 2005 17:27:11 GMT
I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, etc. I wish I did - I live in a house that's 300 (yes, three hundred) years old. If any house would have ghosts, it should be this one. I would LOVE to see a ghost - but so far, nada. I also once spent Halloween in a haunted castle (really!) but didn't see any ghosts there, either. As for spirits - I believe people have really think they felt them, just as I believe people have really cured their headaches by eating a sugar pill a doctor said would cure their headache. The prospect that a placebo could cure a headache, I believe, only strengthens the notion of the existence of spiritual energy. Also, as you have stipulated, some more than others are receptive to suggestion and spiritual intervention. This ability, I believe can be developed or stifled according to the intent of each individual. However, I believe that you send and receive spiritual energy, whether you acknowledge it or not. Truth, be it powerfully positive or even hideously evil and negative lives on past the lives of historical figures. These life forces feed and propel us all. The spirit of Jesus and Mohamed live on just as the reverberations of Hitler and countless serial killers whom seem to find a following. The truth revealed by the messenger lives on longer proportionate to the skill of articulation and the impact on their followers. We all have this power to one degree or another. We are all in fact here because of our collective affinity for the spiritual truth within the music of Kate Bush. My belief is that we all emit signals of intent. These emotional and spiritual messages are discernibly felt by parties that connect with each other - positively or negatively. By just raising my lip snidely, I can deftly send a spiritual message to another and expect results. Conversely, I can hold a door open and improve the life of someone else for a split second. These powers are real and they are what drive the universe. What science has yet to do is explain how this works. I believe that we are all capable of producing and receiving nuclear powered signals that have physiological power over body and mind. These signals are generated by chemical reactions as directed by our conscious and developed unconscious intentions. The sub atomic particles* now recognized by scientists as theoretical at this point have not confirmed what I believe are 'existential radio waves' (to coin a phrase.) Call me crazy but Kate nailed it in "just like a Radio, I pick you up" This is all of course my theory and opinion. If you are interested... Google *"String Theory" and open your mind up to what you read. And then read the "Universal Code" thread here @ the "Other Topics" board (one of my favorites)
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Post by stev0 on Aug 15, 2005 7:00:42 GMT
I glanced at the Universal Code thread. Same old newage (rhymes with sewage) stuff I've heard hippies spouting for years, which is why I've avoided posting in it.
Jesus, Mohamed, and Hitler don't live on through psychic flatulence. They live on because gullible folks are willing to let other people say things about them ("Jesus WANTS you to beat up them there faggots") that entirely miss the point.
Sorry about being even more bitter than usual - I'm out in California right now and spent the evening with a bunch of hippies and had to do my best to hold my cynicism in so now I'm saying everything I wanted to say all evening.
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 15, 2005 11:33:45 GMT
Of course you're right. What was I thinking. Hitler or Mohamed or Kate Bush made no difference. People are just stupid. (but not you) Is that what you mean?
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Post by stev0 on Aug 15, 2005 13:43:35 GMT
Of course they made a difference, and of course their impact is felt to this day. That doesn't mean that every person who says "Jesus told me to shoot that doctor" really has Jesus telling them to. The fact that people still listen to Elvis nowadays doesn't mean Elvis has Special Magic Pyschic Vibrations which are reaching out to anyone listening to "Jailhouse Rock" at this very moment. It just means he put out some songs people like.
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Post by Neo Stella on Aug 15, 2005 15:09:15 GMT
I glanced at the Universal Code thread. Same old newage (rhymes with sewage) stuff I've heard hippies spouting for years, which is why I've avoided posting in it. Get your creative head on then Stev0, give us the benefit of your view. We would appreciate it.
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 15, 2005 16:07:45 GMT
Of course they made a difference, and of course their impact is felt to this day. Then there you go. Spirituality is a given. How the spirit moves you is down to choice and intent. You have the freedom to pervert or misinterpret any truth. Of course not. What you are talking about is a perversion of the message. I have less problem with the truth within the messages of Jesus and and Mohamed (keeping it simple here, as these represent most of the world's current problems); it is the fanatical interpretations of the extreme factions within these groups. Spirituality is the cure - RELIGION is the problem. This is where I think you miss the point. Artists, philosophers and theologians are revered for identifying truth and conveying it though unique or coded messages. We respond to this stimuli in discernible and predictable fashion. There are concrete measurements of pupil dilations, as an example, in response to certain stimuli. The subjects in these tests had their responses recorded and verified by repetition among and within certain control groups. (such as men viewing a nude female form and women viewing babies.) The corresponding pupil changes, heart-rate fluctuations and other physiological changes can not be denied. These chemical reactions are in response to cues. Our intentions direct peptides, hormones and blood-flow (among other responses) to prepare the body for an anticipated set of maneuvers. Why would there not be a code? You can't see radio waves - but you can now measure them. Sub atomic strings (or waves) can not be measured as of yet with any certainty; but for now, represent conceptual tools used to describe a satisfactory explanation or scientific realty to emotion and universal direction. This is theory and opinion; but I have put much consideration and thought into this. I can recognize truth as can anyone else whose intent is to 'leave it open'. How else would you explain how we pass on truth. It is surely not by words alone.
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Post by ~Passion~ on Aug 15, 2005 18:47:38 GMT
I thought it was all rubbish until some spiritual being decided to rip my sheets off my body early one morning about 10 years ago. Every time I visit my mother's house, I get that eerie feeling when I step inside my old bedroom.
As far as religion goes, I think I've lost my faith along the way. Life has been rather trying. The vicissitudes of it all has alerted me to feel banished away from a conducted religion (per Catholicism). It's awkward to do something you feel is right when your religion is telling you that it is immoral and that you're going straight to Hell. Take divorce for example.
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