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Post by Lori on Dec 2, 2003 21:37:30 GMT
Have you ever seen a ghost , anything unexplained or out of the norm? Do you believe or are you a sceptic? - - - - - I've never seen any ghost or anything, and I am a sceptic. I just don't see it possible... I guess seeing is believing though. Mind you, it's weird because I'm still scared of them. If there's been something about them on the TV for example, I'll be a bit on edge. It's amazing though (I think anyway) how many people actually do believe. More than those who don't I reckon.
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 3, 2003 2:02:27 GMT
Sceptic? Apparently that is also an acceptible spelling. I've always spelled it 'Skeptic'. Must be a British' thing again ;D Well at least you're not asking about putrefaction. I do not believe in 'Ghosts' per se. However, I do believe in 'Spirits' and their undeniable influence on our psyche. I do not fear spirits. In fact they are comforting to me. They help mould and direct my thoughts and actions. It may be my own sensitivity to the projections of others that makes me believe in extra sensory phenomena.
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Post by Lori on Dec 3, 2003 14:07:17 GMT
Ok so what exactly is the difference between a ghost and a spirit? Is a spirit just energy and a ghost being a dead person?
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 3, 2003 14:32:10 GMT
That's probably an accurate description. I don't have a good explanation or proof; nor does anyone else. But I think that positive and negative energy flows from all of us. The remnants of this energy can last after one's death if the truth or evil is powerful enough. It is sustained and fed by those whom are influenced by it. This of course is my opinion.
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Post by Lori on Dec 3, 2003 14:46:57 GMT
So what DO you think happens to someone after they've died? Nothing?
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 3, 2003 18:45:24 GMT
So what DO you think happens to someone after they've died? Nothing? The spirtual influences they have contributed live on. I believe the physical body dies and returns to the physical realm.. However, the spirtual realm is a higher plane. There is where enlightenment and elevated spirtual consciousness provides peace and oneness with the universe. The journey to this place will yield different results for different people, I think. A harmonious peace ,or a bitter turmoil can be the result. However, Karma and re-incarnation are not out of the realm of possibilities either. Because I believe that the triumph of love over hate will be waged on the meta-physical battlefield, Who's truth will live on? Is it Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha...? Or will the narrow interpretation of their spirtual teachings bring hatred and violence to all of creation. People should really consider how their energy stirs the pot. Will it help it settle peacefully, or cause it to boil over. It could be that true peace may be only achieved in the spirit world. What kind of spirtual energy does music and poetry contribute? Do you think artists like Kate Bush will have a lasting influence on the spirtual growth of humanity. I do. Why do artists strive to inspire us with their interpretations of love and truth? Why do philosophers and theologians bother to share their ideas? They all realize the importance of the human struggle. All that we can do to promote love and justice only serves to add drops of water to the wave of collective consciousness.
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Post by Xanadu on Dec 3, 2003 19:33:03 GMT
At this point... how do I follow that... so beautifully expressed...I'll have to work on what I feel, but I think it's close to what Al posted. I have had some unusual experiences that convince me that there certainly has to be more than this. However, I always wrestle with my cynical edge that believes that these maybe be all wonderful fairy tales that we invent to deal with our fears of death.
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 4, 2003 1:04:59 GMT
Lori, I really like this new board. Thanks Zan for the endorsement. Expressing our beliefs can sometimes be disconcerting. I too like to maintain a bit of cynicism; but, there is a time and place to share. It is more fun in verse and song. However, we really should try to flesh out our philosophy's. What good is an idea that is never expressed? Our personal beliefs are often either based on fear or enlightenment. I personally would like my views to be verifiable on some discernable level. It would be ignorant of me though to discount what I don't understand. But, with an open heart and mind the truth usually will find a way in. It is when it (the truth) conflicts with our fear and ignorance that we get defensive and disruptive. Zan, I have had experiences of pre-cognition (I think)... Deja Vu or whatever. Premonition, the sense of just knowing something, I think are, in varying degrees, universally shared experiences. This to me is proof. Faith need not be blind. But when my beliefs condemn you or harm you, then I am wrong. As is any other ignorant biggot, zealot or meglo-maniac.
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Post by Sven Golly on Dec 8, 2003 3:18:33 GMT
Not to get away from the topic; but, do you think religion is the solution or the problem?
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 9, 2003 12:54:36 GMT
Let me put something together, Sven, and get back to you.
I'd like to hear from some others here. Does anyone know Kate's opinion of the paranormal?
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Post by Lori on Dec 10, 2003 14:15:18 GMT
Glad you like the new board AT.
There's some very deep stuff here. And very interesting too. I can't really put my point across because I don't really have one right now. Maybe I will though in later life.
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 10, 2003 15:38:56 GMT
I can't really put my point across because I don't really have one right now. Maybe I will though in later life. Or maybe in the [glow=pink,2,300]afterlife.[/glow] ;D
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Post by Lori on Dec 10, 2003 15:42:08 GMT
Hey who knows AT I could come back as a ghost, log on and post my views on this very website ;D
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 13, 2003 17:31:42 GMT
Get out of your comfort zone and put down your thoughts. ;D
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Post by madscientist on Dec 13, 2003 21:27:13 GMT
;D Ello chaps, Religion, I don't think is the problem or the solution. I say that because I feel that there either is or is not a god, and is or is not an afterlife(put what ever twist on the word afterlife you like). Choose to beleive/worship what you like the way you like (I think the constetution of the good ol' USA says something like that!) don't hurt anyone that wants to do it different from you, I think that that is religion. All the rest, the jews, christians, 7th day aventists, moslems, hindus, buddests, bible to the koran (I could go on for ages and not list them all so if I've missed your particular faith I apologise, it int on purpose ) is all mans interpretation, doing things in the name of their particualr god (i'm pretty dam sure no particular benevolant god would not demand the destruction of any other group just because they hopped on their right leg instead of their left leg during prayers {well not that particualr example maybe but you get my drift!}). I'll move briefly onto spirit and start by para phrasing Douglas Adams, who, in That Book, said that lab mice were just a small part of a multidimensional being studying scientists in our particular universe. Taking that maybe spirit, soul or whatever is the part of us that goes off to live in other dimensions (see the universal code in other topics!! ) when our bodies give in! Good night, and in the words of Dave Allen May your god go with you. MM PS, have you seen the episode of Red Dwarf where they are watching an old Earth news reel that describes the finding of what they belive to be the front page of the bible and that it says "I dedicate this book to my wife and children. Any similarity to persons living or dead is merely coincidence". ...you never know
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