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Post by Al Truest on Dec 18, 2003 4:14:37 GMT
I almost forgot about this thread. I'm going to wait 'til Sat. to post my response tho'. But the teaser is that I do think that organized religion is part of the problem. In the meanwhile listen to Sinead O'Conner's "Universal Mother" for some background.
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Post by colleen on Dec 22, 2003 9:34:43 GMT
This is an interesting thread. I love reading everyone's ideas. As for my own views re: ghosts/spirits, I have had experiences in my 40 years on the planet that have convinced me that there is another dimension out there. I am aware of spiritual influences around me, all the time, to the point of hearing voices in my ear (and no, I am not schizophrenic as far I know!) You must all have felt those weird impulses/irrational urges to do something, like you are being guided. I believe that everything happens for a reason and we all have a manifest destiny - something, for example, brought all these people on this message board together and it goes beyond admiration of a famous singer. I believe that Kate is very influenced by the spiritual realm. It comes across very strongly in so many of her lyrics. Speaking of ghosts, did anyone else see the picture in the newspaper (which I saw yesterday, in Australia) from some CCTV footage from Hampton Court Palace in London? It purports to show real video footage of a ghostly figure closing some fire doors... Hmmmm...
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Post by Neo Stella on Dec 22, 2003 22:37:50 GMT
I've only just discovered this thread! Its right up my street!
Richard Bach, the American writer of ideas of self-discovery has some interesting views of consciousness including the part ghosts play. I particularly like his book, "One." If you met yourself as you were ten years ago, what would you tell yourself? And if you met your future self as you'll be ten years from now, what would you ask?
Within this view, ghosts could be yourself on other dimensions having different experiences, learning other ways to love and be. The key is: if you can imagine it-:it is. Imagine, this life you are living is created by your spirit in order to experience a part of yourself you have forgotten, yet love deeply..........A "New" Idea.... THE "I" IN YOU IS "US."....(7+4="One")...."11" for "US"....The Eleventh Insight.
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Post by Sven Golly on Dec 23, 2003 0:54:24 GMT
Within this view, ghosts could be yourself on other dimensions having different experiences, learning other ways to love and be. The key is: if you can imagine it-:it is. I imagine you are full of crap. Am I wrong? J/K I'll indulge you a bit. Imagine, this life you are living is created by your spirit in order to experience a part of yourself you have forgotten, yet love deeply.......... So you believe in re-incarnation? A "New" Idea.... THE "I" IN YOU IS "US.".... there is no 'I' in "You" (7+4="One")...."11" for "US"....The Eleventh Insight. Crossing dimensions could only be accomplished on a spirtual level. To leap through time and dimensions in the physical realm would have grave temporal consequences. So spirtual travel is the ticket then - and you must be trippin'
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Post by Neo Stella on Dec 23, 2003 18:03:20 GMT
These temporal consequences, would they be along the lines of paradoxes? I.e. going back and killing your grandma would mean you wouldn't be born, so how could you have gone back to kill her, right? Bear in mind that 150 years ago the belief was that if you travelled faster than 15 miles an hour you would suffocate. When you work with the current rules of science and understanding of how the universe works you find constraints to discovering who we truly are. Explore the works of Ken Wilber for a model of how our consciousness is evolving. www.worldofkenwilber.com/www.integralevolution.org/
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Post by Neo Stella on Dec 28, 2003 21:29:01 GMT
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 29, 2003 21:15:53 GMT
Not yet, but I'll try to this week NEO. Meanwhile I'd like to get back to a discussion about spirtual teachings. Should faith be blind? - Is it ignorance or enlightenment that steers our beliefs?
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Post by Neo Stella on Dec 30, 2003 17:35:51 GMT
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 2, 2004 18:54:44 GMT
Should faith be blind? - Is it ignorance or enlightenment that steers our beliefs? Faith needs no evidence, just belief. It can be maintained in the face of huge facts to the contrary. If the belief is deep enough, nothing will sway its course. Does this make it wrong? Enlightenment could be us being led into an abyss. What is our true guide? Every choice we make leads us to our present view of reality. Should faith be blind?If it takes you to your truest sense of being, then perhaps at times it needs to be. If you always made decisions with your eyes fully open, you may have missed lessons you needed to equip you for the challenges you face in the future. Is it ignorance or enlightenment that steers our beliefs?It depends where we are in our developement as to which direction, yet it is both in ignorance and through knowledge that our beliefs are shaped. Probably the main determining factor is the questions we ask ourselves. One of my favourites is: How can I improve my contribution to this beautifully evolving world?What do you think?
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 3, 2004 4:02:46 GMT
OK, I'm still formulating my answer. 'Til then, what is truth and who decides? ..The Pope!? Also why is symbolism and holiness so important to three faiths that claim Jerusalem as their own? And lastly, is eastern thought more tolerant than Judeo-Christian traditions?
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 3, 2004 16:34:23 GMT
It is a great co-incidence that in the middle of truth is "U." You decide what is true for you.
Symbolism has always been important to humankind and is older than the spoken language. It provides a focus for our beliefs, simplifying the deeper, complex elements of our faith.
Finally, eastern traditions seem to be more tolerant than Judeo-Christian beliefs. Perhaps this is because their focus is inner, as opposed to the outer evangelising that is seen often in the west. (Only an observation, not a judgement)
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 7, 2004 23:29:58 GMT
Did you lose interest in this thread Al?
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 8, 2004 1:22:24 GMT
Did you lose interest in this thread Al? Actually no, I've been stalling 'cos of illness or being busy at work. Mainly tho' it's just that I want to measure my words and give my response due justice. I'll post here this weekend.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 8, 2004 14:22:03 GMT
Sorry to hear about the illness Al, hope you're feeling better now.
I'm interested to hear how you see this question of faith.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 10, 2004 3:51:26 GMT
Sorry to hear about the illness Al, hope you're feeling better now. I'm interested to hear how you see this question of faith. Oh I'm fine now thanks. I've already laid some groundwork on some other threads regarding truth and faith. I plan to disagree with you on a couple of things. Stay tuned tommorrow.
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