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Post by Al Truest on Apr 15, 2004 1:35:04 GMT
Janis Joplin? Fleetwood Mac? Dare I say The Cure? Brian Eno? Tom Waits? As an aside, I'd like to list those seriously underground bands that deserve a shout out, like The Residents Throbbing Gristle Tuxedomoon The Velvet Underground Red Crayola Oh who am I forgetting? Hey, I kinda like Chicago! Does that make me lame? Robert Lamm is a FANTASTIC songwriter, at least I think so. Shrug. Hmm, I don't know about Joan Jett. I see no merit in her music at all. But I love that the Kinks got mentioned straight away, and not even by me! Ditto on your choices Sheila. I'm beginning to see the merit in a top 100. We do need some underground artists. I also like your addition of Zappa to that end. Joan Jett, regardless of talent, was important as a door opener. Perhaps Chrissy Hynde, maybe you'll agree, would be a better choice for that role though.
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Post by brillo69 on Apr 15, 2004 5:12:19 GMT
Well, you could start by saying that they recently sold 20 million dollars in concert tickets, are grammy winners, are a top 100 all time in record sales, and had the number one album as of 1/7/04. They are important because they have helped mould the shape of alternative music for over 20 years. They are a unique and powerful force, blending several influences with tight musicianship and original lyrics. I happen to like a very wide range of music. I do like Tori despite the fact that Kate paved the way for her and still outshines her in comparison. It's fine not to like some of the choices, but this is nonetheless an exercise in recognizing all the influences that have been important. The Red Hot Chili Peppers are my all time favourite band. I'm particuarly a fan of their early work, Freaky styley and The Uplift Mofo Party Plan being personal favourites of mine. Guitarist Hillel Slovak (R.I.P) was and is in my opinion a very underated guitar player, and John Frusciante has been quoted as saying that Hillel was/is one of his influences. This actually shows in some of his playing. Hillel's playing can be rooted back to the playing style of Jimi Hendrix. In fact some of the Chili's early work shows a lot of the Hendrix Influence.
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Post by Al Truest on Apr 15, 2004 21:53:56 GMT
The Chili's are by no means any where near my favorites, but there is no denying their influence. Ya know, it's funny how longevity and success can take the edge off artists who reach the 'important' status. e.g. "The Smashing Pumpkins" or "Greenday." However, there is still a place for recognition, even maybe an honorable mention in a couple more added categories ( 'Underground' being one ) for the cutting edge or alternative forces that have retained their mystique or 'crunkness' ( sorry, that's so lame for someone my age ) like: The Revolting Cocks Skinny Puppy Dead Kennedy's ' Milkmen P J Harvey etc....
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Post by Adey on Apr 16, 2004 13:53:05 GMT
Oh Gawd, look at all these names. Processing..
I'll post mine soon, been busy at the Theatre.
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Post by strabley on Apr 16, 2004 15:39:25 GMT
Ditto on your choices Sheila. I'm beginning to see the merit in a top 100. We do need some underground artists. I also like your addition of Zappa to that end. Joan Jett, regardless of talent, was important as a door opener. Perhaps Chrissy Hynde, maybe you'll agree, would be a better choice for that role though. What door did Joan Jett open? Chrissy Hynde, maybe, but eh, that doesn't feel right either. How about Patti Smith? I forget, did anyone mention Billy Joel? Not a fan, but...
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Post by brillo69 on Apr 16, 2004 22:57:46 GMT
Has anyone mentioned Neil Diamond?
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Post by Adey on Apr 21, 2004 13:39:23 GMT
Absolutely manic last week, only just posting these:
FOLK/COUNTRY:
1]Johhny Cash - a towering figure indeed. 2]Bob Dylan - needs no words. 3]Willie Nelson - a true rebel and a great c/w stylist. 4]Emmylou Harris - defines the newer c/w direction. Nearly went for l.ronstadt. 5]June Taboor - poss the greatest living British lady folk singer. This woman can sing anything, should be a huge star.
JAZZ:
so many possibles, this is today's snapshot -
1]Steeley Dan - intelligent pop/jazz crossover. 2]Weather Report - sometimes too 'out there' for me, but you gotta love them. Nearly chose c.corea. 3]Django Rheinhart - incredible 3 fingered gypsy guitar player. Defined the hot club of paris sound. 4]Billy Holliday - tragic woman, great talent. Always sang flat but somehow it didn't matter. 5]Bix Beiderbecke - serious trumpet player.
POP:
1]Elvis - never liked him, incredibly important. 2]Elton John - sometimes average, but when he flies.. Incredible composition talent. 3]Beatles - it's all been said 4]Beach Boys - more specifically brian wilson, deaf in one ear so hears in mono. Mental heath issues - should be dead, still writing great stuff. Vocal Harmonies don't get better than this. 5]Kinks - imaginative and original songwriter in r. davies. 6]Queen - preferred them when they rocked, just kept raising the pop music bar. 7]Sparks - the mael brothers always had us guessing. Brilliant pop. 8]ELO - wrote Mr Blue Sky.. 9]Eagles - they had it all. Don Henley blows me away. 10]ABBA - love'em or hate 'em but always respect them.
ROCK:
1]ELP - innovation. 2]Led Zep - for their reworking of the Blues. 3]Deep Purple - innovation. Great musicians. 4]Cream - read Zep. 5]Styx - can't think why, couldn't leave them out.
R & B (inc Soul):
strange bedfellows here -
1]The Who - Townsend genius. 2]Marvin Gaye - died too young. 3]Stevie Wonder - one of the true great talents. 4]Aretha Franklyn - made W.Houston poosible. Made the gospel crossover. 5]Smoky Robinson - true class.
CLASSICAL:
1]John Williams - better than Segovia, made the classical guitar respectable. 2]Andrew Lloyd Webber - listen to the overture for Phantom of the Opera.. 3]Andre Previn - magnificent musician;player conductor composer. 4]Jacqueline Du Pre - took the cello to a new place. 5]Malcolm Arnold - see Previn, a British great.
WORLD/FUSION/Trad:
1]Peter Gabriel - dared to be different. Nearly has the talent of KB (discuss please) 2]KATE BUSH - I don't think of her as a pop artist anymore, she belongs in this category. If you haven't heard her, check her out - she's good. The greatest British female talent ever.. 3]The Cheiftans - maybe. 4]undecided. 5]undecided.
EASY LISTENING:
1]Sinatra - no contest. Unbelievable vocal phrasing. 2]Tony Bennett - as above with the jazz twist. 3]Bing Crosby - nearly great, comfy as a pair old slippers. 4]Ella Fitzgerald - see Sinatra/Bennett 5]Mick Hucknall - if he doesn't blow it..
Lot of names you guys have mentioned, but a few you haven't. Unlike AT, I'd be pushed to make it a hundred - I just don't think that there are that many IMPORTANT artists. Some that got away:Sting/Pink Floyd/Don McClean/Dave Brubeck/Gerry Mulligan/Paul Desmond/David Bowie/Modern Jazz Quartet and a few others.
Thanks to all for the input - I'll post something on what we've all done soon.
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Post by Al Truest on Apr 22, 2004 1:52:03 GMT
FOLK/COUNTRY: 5]June Taboor - poss the greatest living British lady folk singer. This woman can sing anything, should be a huge star. JAZZ: 3]Django Rheinhart - 5]Bix Beiderbecke - serious trumpet player. POP: 2]Elton John - sometimes average, but when he flies.. Incredible composition talent. only if you include Bernie Taupin as a part of this team7]Sparks - the mael brothers always had us guessing. Brilliant pop. 8]ELO - wrote Mr Blue Sky.. 10]ABBA - love'em or hate 'em but always respect them. ROCK: 1]ELP - innovation. 5]Styx - can't think why, couldn't leave them out. Great list Adey. I can't believe I left out Emmylou Harris. My only objections remain in the quote above. I just can't call those few "important"
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Post by Al Truest on May 3, 2004 19:15:43 GMT
Where are we on this Adey?
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Post by Adey on May 4, 2004 11:42:32 GMT
I've got a long list of names, some categorised-some not, I'm going thru them and counting how many times each were mentioned. Call it a master list.
Thjis will be posted for further discussion/voting? on thurs evening of this week.
Ever wish you hadn't started something ??!
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Post by strabley on May 4, 2004 13:29:19 GMT
I've got a long list of names, some categorised-some not, I'm going thru them and counting how many times each were mentioned. Call it a master list. Thjis will be posted for further discussion/voting? on thurs evening of this week. Ever wish you hadn't started something ??! Did you bite off more than you want to chew here Adey? ;D then after you post the master list we're all gonna fight you about it! Just kidding.
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Post by Adey on May 5, 2004 11:09:12 GMT
I don't mind a fight!
It will compiled from everybody's suggestions so I won't be the only one brawling - ' Seconds out, round two.. ' 2 falls, 1 submission and a grammy to decide the winner!
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Post by Sven Golly on May 6, 2004 13:43:58 GMT
You know that I don't mind a fight either. So if no one starts one - there won't be one. ;D J/K I really don't care who makes the list after all of mine are included.
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Post by ~ Rocket's Tail ~ on May 6, 2004 16:55:43 GMT
Has anyone mentioned John Cage?
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Post by Al Truest on May 6, 2004 21:54:41 GMT
Has anyone mentioned John Cage? No...and of course you are correct in labeling him as important. It may not be a popular or recognizable selection; but, important nonetheless. Past and future pioneers may get overlooked here. Who knows how todays artists will hold up to the test of time. Moreover, how many of the greats from the past will get their due recognition? Prince is touring again("Musicology'), mainly, he says, because there is a vacuum out there. He cites 'Outkast' and Alicia Keyes (whom I can not get into) as the most notable talent going at present. He is right to a degree, but he's not looking close enough. The real groundgreaking is being done by collaborations amoung people like Mickey Hart, Joe Zawinul, Peter Gabriel, Afrocelts etc. Bands like 'White Stripes' and 'Jet' are good, but basically just re-interpretations of Rock and R&B.
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