Adena
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Post by Adena on Jul 16, 2008 3:50:46 GMT
I think it is really worth it to not settle for the false peace of stagnancy - all it takes to turn that to discontent is one wayward thought or questioning, and all the dead water is stirred up again. Digging deeper is, I truly believe, the natural and noble thing to do. But there is danger in questioning convential wisdom. I will bet that there are so many folks that come home from church and just start filling their day with routine and mindless distraction. Wives longing for excitment - men longing for the same thing - but both too afraid of the guilt and restriction that has been force fed to them. The unexamined life is not worth living - still holds true. Fear's ability to get within our skin is one of the saddest things about life. Fear for yourself, fear for your friends or family, fear of the unknown - they can all hurt us more than it's worth.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 16, 2008 21:08:39 GMT
Yes... fearlessness can open us to such a more beautiful and glorious world, when we surrender our narrow terrors and limits. Whatever is feared is often the thing that could lead us to grow.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 17, 2008 1:07:07 GMT
I keep returning to the notion that our intent is the source of direction and outcome. Fearlessness is a choice. But to break the chain of whatever holds us back takes introspection and openess to truth. I think we often chose familar misery over unknown joy...
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Post by Sven Golly on Jul 17, 2008 1:09:53 GMT
I keep returning to the notion that our intent is the source of direction and outcome. Fearlessness is a choice. But to break the chain of whatever holds us back takes introspection and openess to truth. I think we often chose familar misery over unknown joy... Thank you Captain Obvious.
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Adena
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Post by Adena on Jul 17, 2008 1:47:29 GMT
I keep returning to the notion that our intent is the source of direction and outcome. Fearlessness is a choice. But to break the chain of whatever holds us back takes introspection and openess to truth. I think we often chose familar misery over unknown joy... Agreed. Or choose fear over taking a chance. Chances are what could open us to a new world and a different life, but often we don't take the chances. Risk is the unknown, and we fear it.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 17, 2008 2:40:22 GMT
I keep returning to the notion that our intent is the source of direction and outcome. Fearlessness is a choice. But to break the chain of whatever holds us back takes introspection and openess to truth. I think we often chose familar misery over unknown joy... Yes, I think we do too. Entering the realms of the unknown or the unconscious carries with it a lot of risk, but it is only by accepting that risk or even suffering it that joy and reward has meaning.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 17, 2008 2:43:02 GMT
Agreed. Or choose fear over taking a chance. Chances are what could open us to a new world and a different life, but often we don't take the chances. Risk is the unknown, and we fear it. Chances open us to new life, and I think new life always opens us to an old death. That's where the threshold of fear is, that must be broken through, an outmoded form that must be discarded to let growth happen, I think. The unknown must be braved for knowledge ever to evolve.
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Adena
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Post by Adena on Jul 17, 2008 4:28:18 GMT
Agreed. Or choose fear over taking a chance. Chances are what could open us to a new world and a different life, but often we don't take the chances. Risk is the unknown, and we fear it. Chances open us to new life, and I think new life always opens us to an old death. That's where the threshold of fear is, that must be broken through, an outmoded form that must be discarded to let growth happen, I think. The unknown must be braved for knowledge ever to evolve. Which brings me to an interesting question... Where does that leave death, as the greatest unknown?
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 18, 2008 1:49:33 GMT
That is a big question. I will think more and respond later.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 18, 2008 2:47:40 GMT
Death is the release of the soul, I believe, and a return of matter to the collective - that matter being manifestly altered by the stewardship of the host. The consciousness of the soul then moves on to a higher or lower plane based not on action but on an awareness of spirit. That spirit shall dwell in the realm created in this lifetime. The collective consciousness is thereby altered in the process....What? You have a better answer?
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Post by Adena on Jul 18, 2008 7:42:13 GMT
Death is the release of the soul, I believe, and a return of matter to the collective - that matter being manifestly altered by the stewardship of the host. The consciousness of the soul then moves on to a higher or lower plane based not on action but on an awareness of spirit. That spirit shall dwell in the realm created in this lifetime. The collective consciousness is thereby altered in the process....What? You have a better answer? Yet, despite beliefs, death is an unknown. Is this not apparent...?
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 18, 2008 11:28:55 GMT
Death is the release of the soul, I believe, and a return of matter to the collective - that matter being manifestly altered by the stewardship of the host. The consciousness of the soul then moves on to a higher or lower plane based not on action but on an awareness of spirit. That spirit shall dwell in the realm created in this lifetime. The collective consciousness is thereby altered in the process....What? You have a better answer? Yet, despite beliefs, death is an unknown. Is this not apparent...? Damn. That is a better answer.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 18, 2008 15:12:17 GMT
Hmmm. For me, death is the mystery of renewal at the crux of life. It is the dark, central, sightless place that makes us finally be lost to sleep and destiny. And it does circulate the energy of life through all the world, opening up living in its exchange of loss and generosity. It is the ultimate mystery. And I think of it sort of as nothingness giving birth to creation, nonbeing before being, the release of mortal forms into pure being. It is the inevitable home to all of our earthly dwelling. It is the well of energy where forms of life are dissolved and begotten. And I like to think that when we die, we sink back into the fountain-source of grace or being or energy in the universe. And then the energy that makes us up is distributed again into new forms and new beings, harmoniously. However, I do sort of believe in ann 'immortal soul.' Because in the midst of all this fluctuation, if you hold close to it and recognize it, I think there is something - a love or faith or inspiration - beyond change or death or life. And even within change, and within time, and the way everything turns and falls away... I think there is the presence of the unchanging. One other thing I also find incredibly fascinating is the inextricability of life from death. Every way we gain life, every burning breath taken, every flowering bounty of summer tumbles towards its own end. Each is one step closer to falling down into slumber and nothingness. I think this was actually a big theme of my 'Saga' - the poems I wrote earlier. Mortality. By living we die. And yet by dying, it also seems we living. And by dying a death or a thousand deaths, it seems we are brought closer to the immortal light. So these are just some random thoughts of mine... Death is an unknown, but I do think it's important that we ponder it.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 18, 2008 16:01:32 GMT
Hmmm. For me, death is the mystery of renewal at the crux of life. It is the dark, central, sightless place that makes us finally be lost to sleep and destiny. And it does circulate the energy of life through all the world, opening up living in its exchange of loss and generosity. It is the ultimate mystery. And I think of it sort of as nothingness giving birth to creation, nonbeing before being, the release of mortal forms into pure being. It is the inevitable home to all of our earthly dwelling. It is the well of energy where forms of life are dissolved and begotten. And I like to think that when we die, we sink back into the fountain-source of grace or being or energy in the universe. Yes. I have used this analogy before in what energy in general seems to do. And our souls or spirits I believe are sources of energy. The the idea of an mortal soul in a quest for peace seems to give direction and purpose in our journey. Pain and death give contrast and texture to joy and life. Without the opposite force stagnation and atrophy would ensue. It is the constant balancing of forces, I believe, that propel us. If we go positive our light energy takes us upward. Conversely dark energy will take us in the direction we have chosen. 'God' or the proverbial satan only highlight the choices - parenthetically: energies of so called sin or ideals of moral value. The path is up to us. And our redemption and forgiveness also can come from within. The grace and scorn is out there in abundance. Just choose. :::passes the plate ::: Pardon the pontificating.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 18, 2008 16:12:46 GMT
Yes. It is a balance, and one side could never exist without the other. And whether that balance leads us to growth or decay depends on if we are in harmony with it, IMO.
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