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Post by Al Truest on Jul 9, 2008 22:59:07 GMT
And about magic - I do sort of agree, although I also think there will be some phenomenon we can't explain. Or at least I hope so. But I also hope that science can give credibility to the things that seem mysterious in our universe. And I would not fault anyone for disagreeing. If it is more fun to suspend reason or even if one has faith in the unknowable - that's part of what makes the quest interesting. But to me discovery is more enlightening. I had rather know how the magician saws a woman in half (the illusion) than to really think that he had magical powers. Even with all we discover nonetheless the layers of the onion just keep peeling away infinitely.
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Post by festus on Jul 9, 2008 23:22:25 GMT
And I would not fault anyone for disagreeing. If it is more fun to suspend reason or even if one has faith in the unknowable - that's part of what makes the quest interesting. But to me discovery is more enlightening. I had rather know how the magician saws a woman in half (the illusion) than to really think that he had magical powers. Even with all we discover nonetheless the layers of the onion just keep peeling away infinitely. If you're concerned about concentrating on reality then wouldn't it be better to entirely stay away - mind body & spirit - from such frivolous events? You say the onion is peeling away; it seems to me it's the same as it ever was. festus (aka kevan - who forgot his password)
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 9, 2008 23:35:06 GMT
And I would not fault anyone for disagreeing. If it is more fun to suspend reason or even if one has faith in the unknowable - that's part of what makes the quest interesting. But to me discovery is more enlightening. I had rather know how the magician saws a woman in half (the illusion) than to really think that he had magical powers. Even with all we discover nonetheless the layers of the onion just keep peeling away infinitely. If you're concerned about concentrating on reality then wouldn't it be better to entirely stay away - mind body & spirit - from such frivolous events? You say the onion is peeling away; it seems to me it's the same as it ever was. festus (aka kevan - who forgot his password) Hey - good to hear from you I'm afraid I am missing your point. What frivoulous events? I can find the profound in the smallest of places. Reality in the now can be a stepping stone and a progression. Peeling away the layers is like Sisyphus pushing the rock. And as I said earier - unless we enjoy the drudgery and effort, then it really all is absurd. But I want to keep digging deeper and deeper. Same as it ever was has context in that instead of being killed for your beliefs you are now only shunned. Unless of course you live in the Middle East or the Southern United States or China or... But I have to believe there is purpose and satisfaction. I know I am finding it.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 9, 2008 23:58:10 GMT
And I would not fault anyone for disagreeing. If it is more fun to suspend reason or even if one has faith in the unknowable - that's part of what makes the quest interesting. But to me discovery is more enlightening. I had rather know how the magician saws a woman in half (the illusion) than to really think that he had magical powers. Even with all we discover nonetheless the layers of the onion just keep peeling away infinitely. I also find discovery very enlightening and enjoyable. (obviously ) The thing that would trouble me is if the process of discovery was halted into the stagnancy of pure certainty, I think. But truth is such an infinite and multi-layered thing...
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 10, 2008 0:01:38 GMT
And I would not fault anyone for disagreeing. If it is more fun to suspend reason or even if one has faith in the unknowable - that's part of what makes the quest interesting. But to me discovery is more enlightening. I had rather know how the magician saws a woman in half (the illusion) than to really think that he had magical powers. Even with all we discover nonetheless the layers of the onion just keep peeling away infinitely. I also find discovery very enlightening and enjoyable. (obviously ) The thing that would trouble me is if the process of discovery was halted into the stagnancy of pure certainty, I think. But truth is such an infinite and multi-layered thing... I have no problem with people that are certain about what works for them. It is when that they are certain that they know what's best for me (and you)... then you know the current two party system.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 10, 2008 0:05:09 GMT
Reality in the now can be a stepping stone and a progression. Peeling away the layers is like Sisyphus pushing the rock. And as I said earier - unless we enjoy the drudgery and effort, then it really all is absurd. But I want to keep digging deeper and deeper. Yes... reality unfolds as we keep fathoming it, keep asking questions and revealing more wonder... I think the real wisdom and joy is in feeling that evolution.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 15, 2008 0:50:24 GMT
I would like to lay some ground work here and expand on it later.
Being open or in tune with others and the environment can be manifested in degrees that range from hypersensitivity and paranoia to aloofness and depraved antipathy. It is how we disseminate stimuli that cause growth and joy or retreat and suffering. The more I am open to love and grace the happier I become. But there is a fine line near the edges at either extreme, it seems to me. Visions and genius border on paranoia. If the inspiration is not processed by the brain properly then we can not reconcile the data. Conversely being cut off and unresponsive can stifle or cancel out our ability to love and care for ourselves and others. Sensitivity and spirituality is the next avenue I would like to explore here.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 15, 2008 1:50:34 GMT
^ When you are open to the subtle and omnipresent signals that make up the universal music, you're right, it can lead to paranoia or distress as well as joy and love. Whatever is powerful, I think, most often has something ambiguous to it - the possibility of grace or grief, holiness or ominousness. When we leave it open, we do so to madness as well as creativity. And I think that's where a need for balance comes in. For reason, reconciliation, and strength as well as intuition and sensitivity... I also find that faith in the way things work can help not to be overwhelmed one part or another of the symphony. I don't know if this all really relates, but I'll be looking forward to discussing more with you.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 15, 2008 1:56:14 GMT
We never stop learning and understanding. The combined inspiration from bonding intellectually or spiritually with others makes for positive change and strength. When we stay centered and focused we can avoid the vortex around us. I can remember have bolts of inspiration and pacing or staying up with them like an expectant parent. But getting the ideas out of my head and out of my system is therapeutic. Having a creative outlet or a person to care for and share with make the growth positive. And true friends can often help reel in the bizarre stuff.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 15, 2008 2:00:27 GMT
Yes. Inspiration can be an uneasy feeling. But the capturing of it is a very balancing one. I always feel like I am startled out of my calm with a new idea, and it won't let me be until I write it down - until then I feel really out of sorts. But it's wonderful to be able to share and embody the energy we pick up, and so worth it.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 15, 2008 2:05:32 GMT
The risk/reward quotient is worth the investment to me. I can't understand how so many people get so much peace from stagnation and obedience to indoctrination. But yet they do. I can't. I always want to dig deeper.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 15, 2008 2:10:27 GMT
I think it is really worth it to not settle for the false peace of stagnancy - all it takes to turn that to discontent is one wayward thought or questioning, and all the dead water is stirred up again. Digging deeper is, I truly believe, the natural and noble thing to do.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 15, 2008 2:17:55 GMT
I think it is really worth it to not settle for the false peace of stagnancy - all it takes to turn that to discontent is one wayward thought or questioning, and all the dead water is stirred up again. Digging deeper is, I truly believe, the natural and noble thing to do. But there is danger in questioning convential wisdom. I will bet that there are so many folks that come home from church and just start filling their day with routine and mindless distraction. Wives longing for excitment - men longing for the same thing - but both too afraid of the guilt and restriction that has been force fed to them. The unexamined life is not worth living - still holds true.
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Post by festus on Jul 15, 2008 22:53:01 GMT
Hey - good to hear from you Hey to you, too. I was being a joker.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 16, 2008 0:18:28 GMT
Hey - good to hear from you Hey to you, too. I was being a joker. Oh. I'm an idiot. Ready to talk some politics?
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