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Post by Adey on Feb 20, 2004 0:06:57 GMT
I don't really know where I'm going with this thread, but I thought that Kate's occasional erotic moments were worthy of discussion. Lets try and do this one with taste and restraint please!
So what are the most obvious references - the ones that please you and perhaps make you misty eyed and suddenly alive?
Here is one of mine:
FEEL IT. In which we explore the experience of a chance encounter from a woman's perspective. As a male teenager bulging with hormones, this one used to haunt me. I was in that room with the character/Kate, behind that locked door. It's not at all explicit - the reference to discarded stockings, the warm hand walking around, here comes one and one makes one and synchronising rhythm are hardly indecent. But the word pictures they left behind can affect me to this day some 25 years later.
Can you see where I'm going with this, and is it worth exploring further?
I am fascinated to see if anybody posts, or if the moderator whips it straight off!
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Post by Sven Golly on Feb 20, 2004 0:24:12 GMT
I'll try to show some restraint, but when you speak of whipping it off; it's hard not to snicker.  However, at your behest; I do believe Kate was foward thinking in terms of female sexual assertiveness. She portrays her character as a willing and equal participant in a normal, healthy, and even beautiful activity. The 'equal' concept though, is still somewhat compromised, by the "my passion always wins' line. Therein you could read manipulation or even female superiority. Nonetheless, the role was not the traditional female subservance. Affirming a strong female sexual identity was a liberating notion at the time. |
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Post by strabley on Feb 20, 2004 17:55:25 GMT
This thread can't stop before Song of Solomon gets mentioned! It's in obvious ways one of the most upfront songs she's ever done. Perhaps she had to mature a bit to tell it straight out and not hide in clever words? Just a thought. But yet the words around the "no bullshit" part are clever. Very clever indeed! The most intriguing sexual line I personally think she ever wrote was "I'll come in a hurricane for you". That is a level of sexuality I apparently have yet to achieve, and hope I do someday! Wop bam boom indeed! Other lines I feel I want to mention, tasteful yet far more erotic than anything actually x rated: "Say hello to the soft musk of her hollows" "and his spark took life in my hand" "the sheets are soaked with your tiny fish" And I'm not even gonna touch on Egypt here! I'll save that one for Xanadu. Go girl!  |
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Post by strabley on Feb 20, 2004 18:06:11 GMT
Adey, very interesting to hear a young man's take on Feel It. Glad you could remember that after 25 years! That wasn't meant to sound like an age joke, sorry if it came off that way. I never really felt comfortable entirely with the song because I wasn't sure how men felt about it. Not that I would know from experience (  :  , but one-night stand passion moments are things that girls just don't talk about, sometimes not even with their best friends. And here's Kate with seeming shamelessness singing about it! Very daring and liberating. And refreshing to hear your take on it, Adey. I appreciate the song better now.  One thought: the line "see what you're doing to me" seems to hint of what he is doing to her is on some level bad, any thoughts on that or is that my Catholic school girl guilt trip mechanism kicking in? (then again Kate must have had it on some level too, eh?  ) |
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Post by Xanadu on Feb 20, 2004 22:48:46 GMT
The most intriguing sexual line I personally think she ever wrote was "I'll come in a hurricane for you". That is a level of sexuality I apparently have yet to achieve, and hope I do someday! Wop bam boom indeed! Wop Bam Boom, indeed, Sheila! That line can take on a whole new meaning. And I'm not even gonna touch on Egypt here! I'll save that one for Xanadu. Go girl! Thanks Sheila. And CONGRATULATIONS! on 500 posts! You're really "Moving" now, and blasting off into the night! So, how can I follow what you have already posted? Well, onto my x-rated contributions... "My Pussy Queen knows all my secrets" : Talk about sexual awakening. Looks like she has taken sexual discovery into her own hands here. "Down you'll go to where the mellow wallows": I think this is an interesting sort of addiction for a man. He would be a very generous individual. "I'm dying for you just to touch me, and feel all the energy rushing right up-a-me.": Wonderful for her to write about a woman longing for pleasure. "I'll do it for you, ooh I'll come in a hurricane for you": This entire part, culminating with this line, the definition of passion of "biblical" proportions. So, has it ever occured to anyone that Feel It, OTBIL, & L'ALSLY tell a short story? Feel It being the actual brief affair and sexual tension, OTBIL being the reflection right after ("How did I come to be here, anyway? It's terribly vague... All the colours look brighter now) and then L'ALSLY is reminiscing and the intense desire to have it again ("I'm dying for you just to touch me"). One more, probably the best for me, all I need is the "mmm, yes" "And at first with the charm around him, mmh, yes,
He loosened it so if it slipped between my breasts
He'd rescue it, mmh, yes,
And his spark took life in my hand and, mmh, yes,
I said, mmh, yes,
But not yet, mmh, yes,
Mmh, yes. "Ooh, but not yet. Mmmmh. Are you sufficiently turned on yet? ;D |
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 20, 2004 23:00:23 GMT
Get a room! ;D
Maybe some of this will spill over to Sven's thread on the chemistry of love (or more precisely here LUST.)
Sheila, I read about your disdain for the topic, but lust is way more fun to discuss than love. That being said. Congrats on
Love AL!
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Post by Sven Golly on Feb 21, 2004 0:41:32 GMT
"My Pussy Queen knows all my secrets
Say, hello to the soft musk of her hollows
" Down you'll go to where the mellow wallows"
"I'm dying for you just to touch me, and feel all the energy rushing right up-a-me."
"I'll do it for you, ooh I'll come in a hurricane for you"
"I'm dying for you just to touch me".
"mmm, yes"
And at first with the charm around him, mmh, yes,
He loosened it so if it slipped between my breasts
He'd rescue it, mmh, yes,
And his spark took life in my hand and, mmh, yes,
I said, mmh, yes,
But not yet, mmh, yes,
Mmh, yes. "
Ooh, but not yet. Mmmm
The sheets are soaked with your tiny fish Are you sufficiently turned on yet? ;D  |
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Post by Adey on Feb 21, 2004 2:13:23 GMT
I'm pleased I started this thread now, I had no idea how it would turn out.
Yes Sheila, you've picked the same references I usually think of. " Soft Musk of Her Hollows " from the Warm Room, is a favourite. " Spark took life in my hand" is a memorable line. Not mentioned, but fondly remembered " The more I think about sex, the better it gets " from SIB (interestingly mixed with references to religeon - the old Catholic guilt thing again?).
Yes that killer line " Come in a hurricane for you " which for all it's ambiguities you can only really interpret one way. In fact, as was suggested, that whole " I'll do it for you " section, which speaks to me of devotion and pleasuring a partner as of supreme importance.
Your reservations about Feel It, I totally understand and no, I'm not suprised that close girl friends rarely admit or refer to a casual sexual encounter. It's that old hippocritical double standard thing again isn't it. Kate might refer to it and other celebrities also and we admire them and say how brave and progressive they are, and how they help to break down the barriers etc, but we mortals, and I guess women especially, still have to be mindfull of the whole ' getting a reputation ' thing. Important I know, but how stupid is it that we haven't moved beyond that yet, despite now living in the 21st Century? [blame the old male ego and our fear of adverse comparisons!] Still, at least Kate's blatant reference and others like it may be the start of something more equitable for the sexes.
And so we come to the Sensual World (thanks Xan). What do you think, maybe Kate's Mount Everest of Erotica? I don't need to repeat the lines. One day, I really must read the Molly Bloom sequence that it's based on. Mmm yes, mm yes indeed. Just the sensuous tonality of her voice is enough to set the pulse racing.
nb. The " Little Fish " line. Where is that from? I can't believe I missed that one!
Oh and thanks AT for the Get a Room suggestion. I think get a cold shower would be a better one.
I'm so pleased that the fair sex also enjoy these moments of erotica. I did seriously wonder if it was - as they say - " a guy thing " !
Like Sven Golly, I'm off for a post erotica smoke....
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Post by Adey on Feb 23, 2004 12:33:24 GMT
She portrays her character as a willing and equal participant in a normal, healthy, and even beautiful activity. The 'equal' concept though, is still somewhat compromised, by the "my passion always wins' line. Therein you could read manipulation or even female superiority. I didn't interpret "my passion always wins" in the same way that you have Sven. I took it to mean that the passion has gotten the better of her. That she has lost her own self control to it, rather than being in competition with her partner. Not to say I'm right of course.. |
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Post by Sven Golly on Feb 23, 2004 14:49:20 GMT
I didn't interpret "my passion always wins" in the same way that you have Sven. I took it to mean that the passion has gotten the better of her. That she has lost her own self control to it, rather than being in competition with her partner. Not to say I'm right of course.. Oh course you are wrong. J/K 'Win", to me, denotes competition. In a healthy situation, be it love or lust, both parties should win. Maybe, there is remedial sentiment going on here, like in "Ruth". Her character being the assertive one here is a much more innovative concept than manipulation. That only brings up old stereotypes. Not saying I'm right of course... |
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Post by Adey on Feb 23, 2004 14:54:50 GMT
Sven, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I just don't think its that complex! Thanks for coming back on this.
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 24, 2004 0:01:11 GMT
Sven, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I just don't think its that complex! Thanks for coming back on this. Why must things be simple. In verse, each word must count. I take cues from some of her other songs to arrive at an attitude. "like it or not, 'cos we're woman" "I'd get him (God) to swap our places" To me, like it or not, I believe she thinks there must be some reparations. (I just like to argue, sorry ) |
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Post by Adey on Feb 24, 2004 2:21:01 GMT
Why must things be simple. In verse, each word must count. I take cues from some of her other songs to arrive at an attitude. "like it or not, 'cos we're woman" "I'd get him (God) to swap our places" To me, like it or not, I believe she thinks there must be some reparations. (I just like to argue, sorry ) Is this a general point AT, or are you talking about this line in Feel It? I don't believe that things do have to be simple necessarily, but I won't overcomplicate things either! As to argument - I'm more comfortable with the word debate. I usually look for a consensus if at possible - apparently Librans are known for that. The trouble is, by sitting on the fence you can get your b*lls kicked by both sides! |
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 24, 2004 13:37:36 GMT
I say 'argue' loosely. I'd really call this a discussion - nor even a debate. The point I was making was partly about one word in "Feel It", based on what I see as a slant to Kate's view on the role of women. Zan has posted some interesting traits attributed to Libra's (me = 0ct 2) There are a lot of traits that I share in the descriptions, |
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Post by Adey on Feb 24, 2004 16:36:50 GMT
I say 'argue' loosely. I'd really call this a discussion - nor even a debate. The point I was making was partly about one word in "Feel It", based on what I see as a slant to Kate's view on the role of women. Zan has posted some interesting traits attributed to Libra's (me = 0ct 2) There are a lot of traits that I share in the descriptions, I must look up those posts then, as I seem to conform to every Libran character trait I've ever read about. I am ambivalent about astrology, but can't find it in myself to dismiss it entirely. Me = Oct 9, a la Lennon & Entwhistle |
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However, at your behest; I do believe Kate was foward thinking in terms of female sexual assertiveness. She portrays her character as a willing and equal participant in a normal, healthy, and even beautiful activity. The 'equal' concept though, is still somewhat compromised, by the "my passion always wins' line. Therein you could read manipulation or even female superiority. Nonetheless, the role was not the traditional female subservance. Affirming a strong female sexual identity was a liberating notion at the time.
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, but one-night stand passion moments are things that girls just don't talk about, sometimes not even with their best friends. And here's Kate with seeming shamelessness singing about it! Very daring and liberating. And refreshing to hear your take on it, Adey. I appreciate the song better now. 
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