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Post by stufarq on Mar 4, 2009 23:11:58 GMT
I've just listened to this for the first time. I don't think it's Kate at all. The vocal style isn't the one she was using in 1976. It sounds more like her style from four or five years later. But not enough to be her. But a lot of women sung like this in the mid-70s so it could be any number of people. Unfortunately I can't think of any of them offhand...
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Mar 5, 2009 13:16:02 GMT
I wonder how Paul is getting on researching Kate sound-alikes? And we haven't heard from Al yet. The first person I thought of was Noosha Fox, who had a few hits back in the mid to late 70s, because she did have a similar vocal range to Kate's. However, when I went and listened to some of her songs again I initially dismissed her - as her vocals are very idiosyncratic, but in a way that is unlike Kate. However, I've noticed that her vocal style is clearly very affected - so, if she sang "straight" without her usual inflection then it might well sound more "Kate-like". One theory that I will advance is that this might be Kate singing a song that was intended for another artist (such as Noosha Fox). It could be that, as Kate could write her own material, some bright spark in EMI Publishing may have suggested that she consider writing something a little less "Kate-like" that could be performed by another artist. Alternatively it could be a song that Kate co-wrote with someone else, or even a song that Kate didn't write but sang as a favour. However, I will make the following observation: just because there is piano on the recording, it doesn't follow that the singer is playing the piano. Also, if this was recorded in 1976, then the piano playing isn't up to Kate's standard at that time. She's already quite adept on tracks recorded in 1975 - such as TMWTCIHE. Alternatively ... it could be Kate singing but not playing the piano. After all, if she didn't write the song then she might not have had any interest in adding a better piano part than the one we hear. Kate may have been the only piano-playing female artist signed to EMI at the time, but the existence of piano on this demo doesn't necessarily provide definitive proof, as the piano is not being played in Kate's style - if it was then I'd say we have a winner. As it stands ... I have some reservations. 1. It might be her, or it might be a similar sounding singer. It could be someone who never made it as a successful artist. How do we know for sure that there wasn't an unsigned female singer in the mid-70s who never "made it"? EMI may have asked this person to audition for them, hence the official EMI acetate, and then decided not to sign them. For a real world example of this, the Beatles were invited to audition for Decca prior to being signed and the audition sessions were recorded. Subsequently Decca rejected the Beatles based on the demo tape recorded at those sessions. The demo tape survived. 2. The piano isn't necessarily being played by the singer. 3. It's not a "hoax" made recently - it has the authentic 70s demo studio sound - and that's not something that can be plausibly recreated using computer software. To make a track sound like this demo you would need to go into a real studio with a real band and real backing singers. Nobody would go to all that trouble just to make a "fake" recording that sold for a hundred on eBay! There is no "tradition" of recordings being faked like this. Generally speaking, if a bootleg contains a recording mistakenly attributed to a famous artist then it really is just a case of mistaken identity and not an attempt to deceive. The music world is not like the art world - where it is commonplace for artists to imitate works by more famous artists - sure, there are "tribute bands" - but they only play live, they don't make records. 4. If it's not Kate, and it's not another singer like Noosha Fox singing without her usual vocal affections, then it logically has to be an unknown singer. It took Kate years to get a recording contract - it's not hard to think that someone less determined, and less talented might never be a success. --Paul--
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Post by tannis on Mar 6, 2009 14:27:38 GMT
The voice? Ah yes, that voice. Kate is genuinely bewildered at the response her vocal has evoked. She refutes suggestions that she deliberately "cultivated" the voice. "Honest, I just opened my mouth and it came out." And then came the album. "Wuthering Heights", by the way, emphasises her unique high-pitched vocal more than any other track. Usually, she comes across as a stranger concoction that resembles a Joni Mitchell-Noosha Fox mongrel, which is a fascination in itself. Melody Maker, "Bush Baby", Harry Doherty, March 1978www.gaffaweb.org/reaching/i78_mm1.htmlFox was a British-based rock band popular in the mid-1970s. Led by American songwriter Kenny Young, the band was perhaps best known for its charismatic Australian lead singer Noosha Fox.The first person I thought of was Noosha Fox, who had a few hits back in the mid to late 70s, because she did have a similar vocal range to Kate's. However, when I went and listened to some of her songs again I initially dismissed her - as her vocals are very idiosyncratic, but in a way that is unlike Kate. Yes, Paul, there is something of the Noosha about the Bush... Especially, "If I Point At The Moon"... Fox - Only You Can www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jijX-OxQzw Only You Can / Out Of My Body (1975) #3 UK, #2 Germany, #7 Australia, #53 U.S.
Fox - If I Point At The Moon (1975) www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCfxSsCM2w Imagine Me, Imagine You / If I Point At The Moon (1975) #15 UK, #7 Germany
Fox - He's Got Magic www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZS_dXIntY He’s Got Magic / Love Ship (1975)
Noosha Fox. SSSingle bed TOTP 1976 black dress version. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJJb-ZXdV-I S-S-S-Single Bed / Silk Milk (1976) #4 UK, #1 Australia
Fox (Noosha Fox) - "Silk Milk" www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPmiVKFYvs
Noosha Fox - Georgina Bailey www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEMmmPn-Esw Georgina Bailey / Pretty Boy (1977) #31 UK
Noosha Fox -The heat is on 1979 www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujF6COoUqBg The Heat Is On / Some Enchanted Evening (1979)
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Post by Adena on Mar 6, 2009 21:43:45 GMT
On the video of Don't Let The Sunshine In, someone pointed out that Kate has a slight speech impediment on her letter r. This is quite true. Kate dampens the end of her 'r's so that they sound a little like w. In all of the songs I've been able to find, the word 'dream' sounds more like 'dweam'.
Unfortunately, though, they're all post-1970s songs. I'm not sure if any of the songs she recorded in the '70s have the word 'dream' in them, but I suspect that the slight slur is probably present from her earliest work.
However, in Don't Let the Sunshine In, the singer sings 'dream' clearly. I think this points to the song having been sung by someone else. I will try to find an early song which I can use to compare her 'r's with.
Edit: Wuthering Heights contains the same little slur.
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Mar 6, 2009 22:07:40 GMT
On the video of Don't Let The Sunshine In, someone pointed out that Kate has a slight speech impediment on her letter r. This is quite true. Kate dampens the end of her 'r's so that they sound a little like w. In all of the songs I've been able to find, the word 'dream' sounds more like 'dweam'. I know what you mean, adena. In Wuthering Heights listen to how she sings: "You had a temper like my jealousy Too hard too gweedy" and then... "Bad dweams in the night..." --Paul--
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Mar 6, 2009 22:09:53 GMT
Fox was a British-based rock band popular in the mid-1970s. Led by American songwriter Kenny Young, the band was perhaps best known for its charismatic Australian lead singer Noosha Fox. I didn't know she was Australian, tannis. The things we learn in the Sensual World!
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Post by tannis on Mar 14, 2009 20:27:50 GMT
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Post by tannis on Mar 14, 2009 20:44:43 GMT
And on the subject of the Don't Let The Sunshine In "thing", here's Del's complete response, dated 28 Nov 2008...yes, I have been contacted about this thing and, to be honest, anyone who believes themselves to be a Kate Bush fan and is in doubt whether this is or isn't Kate is not in the know as I'd hope they were... How anyone could think this was Kate I just fail to see...Not only does it not sound like her at all there is no possible way she could write a song like this...she would never ever have agreed to even sing on a song like this... So, there you have it...the definitive answer...THIS IS NOT KATE BUSH !!! ...Hope this helps to clear this up... All my best...Delthehomegroundandkatebushnewsandinfoforum.yuku.com/topic/16324/t/Don-t-Let-the-Sunshine-in-new-old-song.html?page=23"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." ~ William Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2)
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Mar 14, 2009 22:36:32 GMT
Yes, I know about Del's opinion on this one. I tend to agree with him - but of course, the question is "If it's not Kate, then who is it?"
Whoever did the lead vocal also seems to be doing one of the backing vocals... She has a pretty good voice - but as I say, it's pretty hard to "make it" in the music business. Some times a less talented person can be persistent (and lucky) enough to get a break while another truly talented person might miss out, or wait for many years to finally be recognised.
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Post by Adena on Mar 15, 2009 11:28:29 GMT
At some point, someone will step forward. They MUST step forward... If this is an unknown singer, then how will the person in question ever be identified? This debate could go on forever. Kate or not Kate? Other singers - who? When? Why? Known or unknown? Alive or dead? Identifiable or not? Sorry, just playing devil's advocate here...
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Post by tannis on May 16, 2009 2:00:35 GMT
Kate Bush?, "Don't Let The Sunshine In (Demo)", Unreleased EMI Studios 7" Acetate:The Sweet, "I Wanna Be Committed" 1974 UK 45 EMI Acetate:SUMMING UPThe handwriting is the same. They are not fakes. The date of The Sweet (1975) suggests that the "Don't Let The Sunshine In (Demo)" can be dated c.1975. There was no other woman singing like 'Kate Bush' and associated with EMI before 1976. The eBay seller who sold the "Don't Let The Sunshine In" demo is currently selling two acetates from THE CONGREGATION, and the handwriting on the demo labels is the same as that on the DLTS demo. And if we can date the Sweet acetate to 1974 and The Congregation demos to c1973, then this surely means that the "Don't Let The Sunshine In" acetate must also date to c1974... And was there really another woman singing so like 'Kate Bush' AND associated with EMI before 1976? ... English Congregation were a British pop ensemble. They formed in England under the name The Congregation, but changed their name in 1972 to avoid confusion with other similarly-named bands. The group's lead singer was Brian Keith, and they had a hit single in the U.S. and Europe with "Softly Whispering I Love You" (a song originally written in 1967 by Roger Cook and Roger Greenaway, and previously recorded by David and Jonathan), which peaked at #29 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. It also reached #4 on the UK Singles Chart and #10 in Germany. The group released no further singles and faded into obscurity; Keith later became a session musician. The lack of further chart presence, left them as transatlantic one-hit wonders.The Congregation - If I Could Have My Way. Original UK 45rpm One Sided EMI Studios Acetate c.1970. Item number: 260410576961The Congregation - Midnight Blue (1973). Original UK 45rpm One Sided EMI Studios Acetate c.1970. Item number: 260410577053 Softly Whispering i Love You ( English Congregation )www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn92WoLF_xwMystery Demo: "Don't Let The Sunshine In" -- Kate Bush?www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWwXo7lJU8
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Post by tannis on Jul 29, 2009 18:27:41 GMT
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Post by tannis on Sept 10, 2009 1:27:24 GMT
Don't Let the Sunshine In (1981)On the title of the DLTSI demo: Ralph Nader wrote a perceptive analysis of Reagan Administration efforts to restrict the free flow of information in the United States. Nader called his report "Don't Let the Sunshine In," published in The Nation, November 7, 1981, pp. 470-473:Examples of tactics used to block citizens' access to information include: 1) In October, 1981, the Administration proposed exemptions from the Freedom of Information Act for trade secrets, financial information, desk calendars of government officials, phone logs, and the minutes of meetings. The CIA was given complete exemption and told to close all case files for seven years. 2) The Administration eliminated programs that collected data from industry crucial to the health and safety of the public--information the public has a right to know. 3) Government publications that did not follow the Administration's pro-industry line have also been eliminated. Publications like Car Book, listing the results of government auto safety and mileage tests, are no longer published. These publications are cost effective as they provide consumers with the knowledge to settle disputes that otherwise might have to be settled by government agencies. [18] ... Some ways multi-national corporations use to withhold information are, when discovered, rightly resented by the public. For Example: Oil companies do not want the public to know the low rate of taxation on their revenues. They do not want to disclose that they are spending their profits on such acquisitions as department stores instead of finding ways to make the United States less dependent on foreign oil. [29] [18], [29]: Ralph Nader, "Don't Let the Sunshine In," The Nation 233, (November 1981): 470-3. from Behind the Bits: Managing the Media Maze, F.M. Oppenheim & Helen C. Swift (1998, chp.6)With this in mind, Don't Let The Sunshine In could become the chosen song of dictators, tyrants and the New World Order! ...
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