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Post by Scott on Jul 20, 2005 1:54:46 GMT
Out of curiosity and a test of ya'lls current pop-culture IQ, what is the name of the young gent who is being tightly compared to Elton John? (I heard him on the radio the other day, and his name escapes me! For 500, name that man!
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Post by stev0 on Jul 20, 2005 3:00:59 GMT
Eminem?
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Post by CopyOfCpt (just say Cor) on Jul 20, 2005 4:36:15 GMT
Michael Jackson?
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Post by CopyOfCpt (just say Cor) on Jul 20, 2005 4:50:00 GMT
Marilyn Monroe and Kate Bush? What planet are you from? Artists, especially from your fabulous country of Holland, are some of the MOST distinctive and unique in the art world. I won't begin to name them here. I think we appreciate and celebrate the Tori/Kate thing (which by the way is getting tired), but our legs were not pulled, and the creator should be noted for his efforts. We got his point! You may move on..just go around us! OK, let's step back and see what my point was. First of all, I respect Mrs. Amos as much as I do Mrs. Bush. The difference being that I try to get my hand on all the work of Mrs. Bush and I am in the possession of only the early work of Mrs. Amos. Having said that, the point I was trying to get across is that simularities will always be found, if you only look hard enough. Yes, some of the songthemes are the same; well so what? This only means that they have thoughts about that theme and they were moved sufficiently to write a song about that. The themes in a lot of songs are the same or alike (even if you ignore the gazillion songs about themes like war and love) does that mean they are influenced by eachother? Does that mean that they (heaven forbid) copy eachother? No, it means that that theme at that moment in time was relevant to the artist and that is the end of it. Does that mean that they are not influenced by eachother? No, I don't know for sure ofcourse but I cannot imagine that either artist is living in an ivory tower in a soundproof gold cage. Ofcourse they will be aware of the work of the other artist, and ofcourse they will listen to each others work and, unless they are totally autistic, they will be influenced by it. If they like the ideas they will see what they like about it and perhaps let themselves be influeced by it, if they don't like it they will perhaps avoid the particular thing they don't like. And perhaps they will just forget every second they have heard of that song or artist because they also move on in life. I hope that I have made my view a bit more clear. I realize that my style of writing is quite direct, but I ask of you all to re-read anything before reacting directly. Often there is a message behind the message and the latter carries the porté. I am curious though which artists from my country are that unique. Sometimes living close to things make you not seeing them (explanation: if you live with your face directly on a rock, you might miss it's in fact a mountain).
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Post by matanchik on Jul 20, 2005 12:21:44 GMT
A major dissimilarity is the mystique that Kate maintains. Tori can be petty and capricious. do you know most of tori's work or are you saying this because you just don't like her? i don't mind what you think of her but i think it's important that you'll hear most of her work before you state an opinion about her
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Scott
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Post by Scott on Jul 20, 2005 15:33:20 GMT
Steve and Copycat, Very lame answers, and not at all funny, to a simple but sincere question...grow up..
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 20, 2005 18:32:31 GMT
A major dissimilarity is the mystique that Kate maintains. Tori can be petty and capricious. do you know most of tori's work or are you saying this because you just don't like her? i don't mind what you think of her but i think it's important that you'll hear most of her work before you state an opinion about her I have most of her work - and love most of her music. Also I have read many interviews, which is the basis for my comments. As examples of what I stated, Tori is on record as saying - 'I don't give a flying f#ck if people masturbate to my picture''* or (referring to Kate) "sometimes I want to tell her to stop screaming, there is no mouse"** I find the first quote to be ill-considered (completely unlike what Kate would share) and the other as petty (Kate disses Tori in a much more subtle way) There are more examples if you need them. But these make my point. * Jan. 13, 2005 interview in "Bust" magazine ** ref. Gaffaweb (keyword the quote on google for the date)
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Post by matanchik on Jul 20, 2005 18:58:23 GMT
i actually read in other interviews that tori said hounds of love is a great album and that "the ninth wave" was a major influence on her. but i find it rather ironic that tori want kate to stop screaming because she herself screams a lot.
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 20, 2005 19:03:40 GMT
i actually read in other interviews that tori said hounds of love is a great album and that "the ninth wave" was a major influence on her. but i find it rather ironic that tori want kate to stop screaming because she herself screams a lot. I think over time, there was a bit of friction. As notoriety comes with success, then so does scrutiny and ego. It is natural for Tori to be somewhat defensive when the press try to pigeon-hole her as a 'clone' That being said, Kate may have similar 'slight' animosity. But she hides it so much better.
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Post by W.HI.P on Jul 20, 2005 20:18:05 GMT
If you want to understand Tori as regards to what she says, I advice you to check out her many quote's of other artists and celebrities! She can be very personal and extremely rude. Given that, we can say that Tori has shown the outmost respect to Kate, and is obviously inspired by her, to say the least. Tori is her own unique self, anyone who says that she's tryna copy Kate, simply isn't familiar with her work.
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Scott
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Post by Scott on Jul 20, 2005 20:32:51 GMT
And Kate is totally English, incredibly British, a died in the wool UKGIRL, writes about the downs and the dales and the dukes and the dutchesses and the queens and the the kings and granny and Peter Pan and other fairies and elemental beings from Findhorn(loved my time there)and the white cliffs and Trafalgar Sq and the Marble Arches and the roses in Regents Park, and the Rolling Thames and Heathcliff for gods sakes! Tori is an American Chick. And a very talented one. Apple pie and her youth in Baltimore. Viva la differeance'!
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Post by Scott on Aug 7, 2005 22:16:24 GMT
Oh, and one more difference......not that this lessens one's love for KB.....TORI TOURS!
(but we all know that there is a miniscule chance of that changing....be positive about this...Kate me be listening)
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2005 0:38:49 GMT
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Post by Adey on Aug 26, 2005 1:56:42 GMT
Thanks for the link Scott.
As Mat also mentioned earlier, Tori covered "Dream of Sheep" at Saratoga.. I'd love to have heard that.
A nod of respect to Kate? A gesture of reconciliation? Perhaps she just likes the song..
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2005 13:50:10 GMT
All of the Above, Ad.... It is one of Kate's lushist(is that a word?) songs/melodies...ahh, the melody. And the words, the production. A CLASSIC! I will be sipping local wine at the Chateau Snt Michelle 8 Sept, and will be shivering if/when she begins to sing Babboooshka ya ya.. can you imagine? Maybe thats too wierd of a choice.....I can't imagine Tori taking on a single that actually charted.....a signiture song..oh, well, you know what I mean.......something obscure...oh no, I better quit now...An obscure Kate song? Coffee time.
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