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Post by tannis on Jun 11, 2008 22:17:34 GMT
And the often somewhat nonsensical or illogical topsy-turviness that can be a part of Zen reminds me of 'Some say that knowlege is something you can never have.' Yes, and Kate plays with the topsy-turviness in the lyrical (re-)phrasing:Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap Some say that knowledge is something that you never have... Some say that knowledge is something that you never have Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lapAnd this takes us back to your earlier Deeper Understanding of SIYL:X is very impatient with this process, and slow to master an effective way of thinking and gaining knowledge. She must accept her emptiness, her being The Fool (who, in the cycle of the major arcana in the Tarot, is really quite the same as The World.) Innocence and Wisdom are the beginning and end of the path of knowledge, and, with it's neverending and circular nature, it could be argued that they coalesce. Maybe THE FOOL is impatient for THE WORLD! ... I want to be a lawyer I want to be a scholar But I really can't be bothered Ooh, just gimme it quick, gimme it, gimme gimme gimme gimme!Comical? Lighthearted? ... Those shark eyes at 1:01-11 are deadly serious!
Yes, SIYL is quite a manic song, and the frustrated protagonist needs to calm down, to 'Take 5', as the visuals in the video suggest (1:12). The video is a riot of pagan, tarot, symbolic reference - a carnival of jokers, dunces, devils or minotaurs, etc. And the lighthearted visuals bring warmth, humour and festival to the wanderer and the seeker.In 1994 Oohlalune on the gaffa list (dating back to 1985!!) came up with the idea of a Kate Tarot deck, keeping the symbolism as much intact as possible. That might be an interesting project "Sat In Your Lap" cover - the Fool, The World...jroller.com/darkcycle/date/200402THE FOOLBasic Tarot Symbols The fool in colorful motley clothes, pack tied to a staff, a small dog, a cliff. Basic Tarot Story With all his worldly possessions in one small pack, the Fool travels he knows not where. So filled with visions and daydreams is he, that he doesn't see the cliff he is likely to fall over. At his heel, a small dog harries him (or tries to warn him of a possible mis-step). Basic Tarot Meaning At #0, the Fool is the card of infinite possibilities. The bag on the staff indicates that he has all he needs to do or be anything he wants, he has only to stop and unpack. He is on his way to a brand new beginning. But the card carries a little bark of warning as well. Stop daydreaming and fantasizing and watch your step, lest you fall and end up looking the fool. Thirteen's Observations In the Tarot, cards like The Magician or The Hermit can often stand for the Querent or for someone in the Querent's life. The Fool, however, almost always stands for the Querent alone, no one else. In standing for the Querent, the Fool represents a time of newness, a time when life has been "re-started" as it were. The person feels that they are back at zero, whether that be in romantic affairs, or career, at their job or intellectual pursuits. Far from being sad or frustrating, the Querent feels remarkably *free*, light hearted and refreshed, as if being given a second chance. They feel young and energized. In addition, they likely have no idea where they're going or what they're going to do. But that doesn't matter. For the Fool, the most important thing is to just go out and enjoy the world. To see what there is to see and delight in all of it. Unfortunately, in this childlike state the person is likely to be overly optimistic or naive. A Fool can be a Fool. This is the card likely to turn up when a Querent is thinking of investing his money in a new, "sure fire" business. Or when the Querent is sure that it's "love this time!" Like the Fool, they're so busy daydreaming of what might be that they're ignoring what is. They're about to fall right off a cliff. It's time for them to listen to that watchful little dog, which might be a concerned friend, a wise tarot reader, or just their instincts. As a card, the Fool ultimately stands for a new start. When it turns up the Querent might be about to make a move, not just to a new home, but new job, new life. There's more than just change, renewal, and a brand new beginning in the Fool, there's also movement, a fresh, exciting new time. THE WORLDBasic Card Symbols Woman or hermaphrodite dancing, a wreath in the shape of a Yoni (almond shaped circle), two wands, a cherub, an eagle, a lion, a bull. Basic Tarot Story The Fool turns to take that final step along his final path, and finds, to his bemusement that he is right back where he started, at the edge of that very same cliff he almost stepped over when he was young and too foolish to look where he was going. But now he sees his position very differently. He thought he could separate body and mind, learn all about one, then leave it to learn about the other. But in the end, it is all about self, mind and body, past and future, the individual, and the world. All one. As above, so below, and all opposites are each other, including the Fool and the Mystic who are both doorways to the secrets of the universe. With a knowing smile, the Fool takes that final step right off the cliff...and soars. Higher and higher, until the whole of the world is his to see. And there he dances, surrounded by a yoni of stars, at one with the universe. Ending, in a sense, where he began, beginning again at the end. The world turns, and the Fool's journey is complete. Basic Tarot Meaning The World card pictures a dancer in a Yoni (sometimes made of laurel leaves). The Yoni symbolizes the great Mother, the cervix through which everything is born, and also the doorway to the next life after death. It is indicative of a complete circle. The Dancer has one leg crossed over the other, just like the Hanged man. She is, in a sense, his opposite, the hanged man right-side-up. As the Hanged Man saw infinitely inward, the Dancer sees infinitely outward. Which brings us to the Lion, Bull, Cherub and Eagle standing for Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio, the fixed signs of the Zodiac (these link the ever turning World card to the ever turning Wheel of Fortune). These are symbolic of the four elements, four compass points and the four corners of the universe. All within the Dancer's sight and power. Thus, the World card, very aptly, represents a successful conclusion, all aspects accounted for and taken in. Simply put, this card tells the Querent that the end to a long-term project is in sight, and that it will be accompanied by well-earned praise, celebration and success. With Saturn as its ruling planet, this card can also indicate that the Querent, now an expert in their subject, is likely to become a teacher or sought-after lecturer. And, finally, on a more mundane level, the World card indicates travel, not short business trips, but long, fantastic trips. Maybe a lecture tour, book signing, or just a trip around the world. This is a wonderful card of wholeness, perfection, satisfaction and happiness. Thirteen's Observations There are three possible things I usually see in this card when it comes up, sometimes combined, sometimes not: (1) Everything finally coming together, successfully and at last. The Querent will get that Ph.D. they've been working for years to complete, they'll graduate at long last, marry after a long engagement, finish that huge project. This card is not for little ends, but for big ones, important ones, ones that come with well earned cheers and acknowledgements. The Querent's hard work, knowledge, wisdom, patience, etc, will absolutely pay-off; they've done everything right. (2) Maybe because of their success, the Querent is about to become a teacher, a Sensei, if you will. Revered for their expertise. (3) And maybe, because of this, they're going to be offered a job or trip to some amazing place. They're asked to lecture in a remote city in India, spend a month at the North Pole, teach on board a boat sailing round the globe. No boring little trip for this person, no sir! Luckily for them, the World card indicates that they'll feel comfortable and welcome no matter where they go. The World card indicates a person who owns nothing, because everything is theirs. No place is their home because every place is their home. It's all one, all complete. Tarot Card Meaningswww.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn/meanings/
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Post by tannis on Jun 12, 2008 0:29:38 GMT
"But in the end, it is all about self, mind and body, past and future, the individual, and the world. All one." ALL ONE PIAlthough KaTe sings the first 54 digits of Pi correctly, in the lyrics booklet it says "58231" instead of the sung "5820".What could be the significance of the number 31? Did KaTe make the printed lyric "mistake" deliberately?"The reader will recall the opening numbers of the first definitive Chapter of Liber AL vel Legis, 1:1:1, and the Key discovered by Frater Achad concerning the Number 31, the Hebrew value of AL, the One God, and LA, Nothing."If 31 can equal AL (All) or LA (Nothing), then: a) if 'Nothing' can mean Zero (0), then, somewhere in between, Kate Bush sings Zero and prints Zero (as 31=LA=Nothing); and b) if 31 can also equal AL=ALL, then the lyrics sheet replaces Nothing (0) with All (31). Maybe she's trying to say that all and nothing are really the same thing? That would be a solution to the 'I want it all now!' in Suspended in Gaffa. Yes, in the booklet KaTe has replaced 0 with 31: she has replaced 0 with Nothing (LA/31) which also means Everything, All (AL/31). With AERIAL, The Fool (0/Nothing/LA) has reached The World (31/All/AL)...At precisely 7:00 minutes into the 'Aerial' track, Aerial transforms into 'Pianissimo', the secret tenth track. Pianissimo even has its own lyric page featuring silhouetted crows and blackbirds and soundwave of blackbird song. Aerial is about escape and communion, energy and release, and maybe crazy and hysterical desire. But with Pianissimo, has KaTe transformed herself into a beautiful blackbird? Or has she jumped off the roof, into a sea of honey, or into the sun, a sky of honey? "With a knowing smile, the Fool takes that final step right off the cliff...and soars. Higher and higher, until the whole of the world is his to see. And there he dances, surrounded by a yoni of stars, at one with the universe..."As the album title suggests, with AERIAL, KaTe has learned to fly...
Indeed, from an alchemical perspective, the AERIAL artwork - 'Design by Kate and Peacock' - shows Kate self-proclaiming AERIAL as her Magnum opus or Great Work. And the picture accompanying 'Aerial' shows a Heron, the risen Phoenix, soaring in a sky of alchemical gold.
Heron, Peacock, Phoenix, Ra, Osiris, Apollo, Sun-God, The Shining One, Gold... A Perfect Circle...
All One... The Fool has completed the longest journey to arrive at The World! ... see more: PIkatebush.proboards6.com/index.cgi?board=partone&action=display&thread=426&page=4AERIALkatebush.proboards6.com/index.cgi?board=parttwo&action=display&thread=2456
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Post by Adena on Jun 12, 2008 12:18:26 GMT
'Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap' 'We let the weirdness in' =depression
Some say that knowledge is something that you never have' 'I will not let you in' = mania
To most of society, depression is a weirdness, a new idea, something incomprehensible. But it brings with it and its aftermath a lot of knowledge one would not otherwise have. Mania often involves coldness and blocking out of other entities. It also impedes the memory of the manic period, and is often induced as a preventative measure.
Depressed people let the weirdness in. They let the things that most people would not dream of into themselves. Manic people don't. Some seem normal. Some seem crazy. But when mania is induced as a preventative measure, it is rejecting the weirdness.
And Na-na rambles. Yay.
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Post by tannis on Jun 12, 2008 13:22:27 GMT
The line, "Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap", could also be a pun referencing sexual knowledge or libido. In psychoanalysis, for example, the knowledge-quest is very much linked to erotic energy; and disorganized erotic energy can mean knowledge that you never have. And some say that the Biblical Fall was brought on by an unholy sexual union between Satan and Eve...Genesis 3: The Fall of Man 1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
In Gen. 3:3, Eve tells Satan that neither she nor Adam can 'touch' the 'fruit' of the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil'. The word touch means 'to lay hands upon, to lie with', obviously sexual in nature.Sat In Your Lap: Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 2HAMLET: Lady, shall I lie in your lap? OPHELIA: No, my lord. HAMLET: I mean, my head upon your lap? OPHELIA: Ay, my lord. HAMLET: Do you think I meant country matters? OPHELIA: I think nothing, my lord. HAMLET: That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs. OPHELIA: What is, my lord? HAMLET: Nothing.
"Nothing" in Shakespeare: In early modern English, "nothing" would be pronounced "noting". "Nothing" could mean "nothing"; "nothing" could denote "noting" or eavesdropping; "nothing" was also a slang term for female genitalia, which was "nothing" compared to what a man had.And KaTe does like her puns...
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Post by Adena on Jun 12, 2008 13:26:43 GMT
I didn't reference it as anything sexual. I simply stated a reverse of your post about bipolar disorder.
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Post by tannis on Jun 12, 2008 13:34:55 GMT
Sorry to have misinterpreted your post, Adena... 'Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap''We let the weirdness in'=depression Some say that knowledge is something that you never have''I will not let you in'= mania Depressed people let the weirdness in... But when mania is induced as a preventative measure, it is rejecting the weirdness. Yes, Adena, I agree. Depression can bring insight, clarity and truth. And manic defenses can impede memory and shut out knowledge of self and others.
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Post by tannis on Jun 12, 2008 13:53:27 GMT
The Three Wise MonkeysThe maxim "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" probably came to Japan with a Tendai-Buddhist legend, possibly from India via China in the 8th century. Early associations of the three monkeys with the fearsome six-armed deity Vajrakilaya link the proverb to the teaching of Buddhism that if we do not hear, see or talk evil, we ourselves shall be spared all evil. This may be considered similar to the English proverb "Speak of the Devil - and the devil appears." Others believe the message is that a person who is not exposed to evil (through sight or sound) will not reflect that evil in their own speech and actions. Today "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is commonly used to describe someone who doesn't want to be involved in a situation, or someone turning a willful blind eye to the immorality of an act in which they are involved.With my ego in my gut My babbling mouth would wash it up (But now I've started learning how) I keep it shut
My door was never locked Until one day a trigger come cocking (But now I've started learning how) I keep it shut
Wide eyes would clean and dust Things that decay, things that rust * (But now I've started learning how) I keep 'em shut I keep 'em shutThe first part of Leave It Open seems to tap into the maxim, "Speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil". The protagonist has learned to keep her mouth shut, her ears closed, and her eyes wide shut.
"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is also present in the video for Sat In Your Lap. At 2:29-37, KaTe plays with 'see no evil', and the two jokers behind her play with 'hear no evil' and 'speak no evil'. So maybe Kate is after forbidden knowledge, the knowledge of the alchemist, the initiate, the angels, the devils!
Some grey and white matter "Give me the karma, mama!" I'm coming up the ladder...
The temptation to lift the veil, turn the page, enter the labyrinth and take a pinch of key-hole seems irresistable! ... * "Wide eyes would clean and dust Things that decay, things that rust..."Something made of wood and metal will decay and rust, such as a broken down organ. So these lines could be an autobiographical reference to "Kate's own childhood barn out "in the bottom of our garden," the place of the old broken-down organ which was the home of countless mice?"gaffa.org/dreaming/td_sig.htmlKate Bush - Sat in Your Lapwww.youtube.com/watch?v=xEVMfG8z4902:29-37----- On soft gray mornings widows cry The wise men share a joke; I run to grasp divining signs To satisfy the hoax. The yellow jester does not play But gentle pulls the strings And smiles as the puppets dance In the court of the crimson king. ~ The Court of the Crimson King, King Crimson (1969)The Joker is often depicted as a court jester. The origins of the jester are said to have been in prehistoric tribal society. Nowadays, jesters are mainly thought of in association with the European Middle Ages. The jester was a symbolic twin of the king. In societies where the Freedom of Speech was not recognized as a right, the court jester - precisely because anything he said was by definition "a jest" and "the uttering of a fool" - could speak frankly on controversial issues in a way in which anyone else would have been severely punished for, and monarchs understood the usefulness of having such a person at their side. In Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, Feste the jester is described as "wise enough to play the fool." Indeed, to be successful in the job of King's Fool the holder had to be anything but a fool in the modern meaning of the word. The Joker is often compared to tarot's The Fool. (wiki)
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Post by Adena on Jun 12, 2008 15:47:39 GMT
The manic connection also ties into The Fool with his visions and daydreams, I notice.
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Jun 12, 2008 16:13:49 GMT
The line, "Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap", could also be a pun referencing sexual knowledge or libido. In psychoanalysis, for example, the knowledge-quest is very much linked to erotic energy. You might have been thinking of something I said, tannis. I mentioned Sat In Your Lap as having a potentially sexual connotation a few days ago on the Suspended in Gaffa thread. HAMLET: Lady, shall I lie in your lap? OPHELIA: No, my lord. HAMLET: I mean, my head upon your lap? OPHELIA: Ay, my lord. HAMLET: Do you think I meant country matters? OPHELIA: I think nothing, my lord. HAMLET: That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs. OPHELIA: What is, my lord? HAMLET: Nothing.And KaTe does like her puns... There's another pun in that Hamlet scene. "Country matters" would have been considered a ribald pun by an audience of that era when used in a scene of this nature. "Lie" also has a double meaning here, to "lie with" someone meaning to sleep with them. Note that Hamlet immediately rephrases "shall I lie in your lap" as "I mean, my head upon your lap", which simply gives rise to a different sexual image. Even the word "lap" can have a double meaning in this context, as a verb as well as a noun. To tie it back to KaTe and punning on libido and knowledge and Sat In Your Lap, I will leave you with the cover of Never For Ever: --Paul--
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Post by tannis on Jun 12, 2008 17:28:14 GMT
Although to keep a semblance of relevance to The Dreaming can I just say that the first time I looked at a tracklisting for this album (before I'd heard it, of course) I assumed that Sat In Your Lap was going to be another sex-themed song... I see the people working And see it working for them And so I want to join in But then I find it hurts me
Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap Some say that knowledge is something that you never haveYes, thanks Paul... You also mentioned the tantric dimension linking the sexual and the spiritual. And some say that tantric practice is "something sat in your lap"! And thanks for expanding on the Shakespearean country matters! I must admit, just when I think I'm king (I just begin) Just when I think I'm king, I must admit (I just begin)The "jester was a symbolic twin of the king". And the king of the song finds her symbolic twin in the jester of the video, the single cover, and the lyrical comedown, etc. KaTe is very much "wise enough to play the fool." MY CUP IS FULL AND RUNNING OVER I hold a cup of wisdom, But there is nothing within. My cup, she never overfloweth, And 'tis I that moan- and groaneth. As already noted, Sat In Your Lap has a potentially sexual connotation. The line, "Some say that knowledge is something sat in your lap", could be a pun referencing sexual knowledge or libido. There is also a Biblical connotation. And KaTe's paternal grandparents were a religious pair:
"Sunday mornings they set of punctually for the Wesleyan just around the corner - Joe smart in a bowler hat and carrying a big black bible. They were a steadying influence at the chapel where discussions could drag and tempers sometimes flared over fine points of scripture and organisation. Services were lively with shouts of "praise the Lord, brother!", and some sermons disputed with, "no, brother! no, brother!". The chapel was also a social centre with mothers' meetings, a young men's fellowship, concerts and a Sunday school. Joe eventually became a member of the chapel committee, and Annie was often on her knees scrubbing the chapel floor spotless. Joe and Annie also held prayer meetings in their house: "a hymn and then a prayer and then perhaps a little chat and someone would probably give a little talk on some scripture". And Joe preached on the village green, with Annie singing and playing a fold-up portable organ and people sitting around on the grass. . ." (The Secret History Of Kate Bush, Vermorel, pp.50-51).Running over, running over My cup is full and running over Since the Lord saved me, I'm as happy as can be My cup is full and running over.
PSALM XXIII. A Psalm of David. 1 JEHOVAH is my shepherd, I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures; He leadeth me beside still waters. 3 He refresheth my soul, he leadeth me In straight paths, for his name's sake. 4 Even though I should walk through a valley of the shadow of death, I would fear no evil; for though wouldst be with me; They staff and thy crook would comfort me. 5 Thou spreadest before me a table in the sight of mine enemies: Thou anointest my head with oil; My cup overfloweth. 6 Surely goodness and loving-kindness will follow me All the days of my life; And I shall dwell in the house of Jehovah, For a length of days."My cup overfloweth" is a quote from Psalms 23:5 and means "I have more than enough for my needs" though interpretations and usage may vary. Notably, it can be employed sarcastically to indicate that someone, e.g. one's host, is being less than generous.
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Post by tannis on Jun 13, 2008 8:42:37 GMT
ALL ONE PI: “Everything comes from nothing!”I hold a cup of wisdom, But there is nothing within...In Hindu, Taoist, and Buddhist wisdom traditions, “emptiness” and “nothingness” carries quite a different significance. The following may help. Christian theologians tend to view the universe as “Creatio ex nihilo” – created out of nothing. This means that God did not make the universe out of some prior “stuff,” but whipped it up new, bringing existence out of the nothing. Scientists would argue, “Nothing comes from nothing.” A Buddhist would say, “Everything comes from nothing!”
There are several Qur'anic verses that explicitly state that God created man, the heavens and the earth, out of nothing: "Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things." The Quran 35:1"Much Ado about Nothingness"In the printed lyrics to Pi, KaTe replaces a 0 with 31. In Thelemic gematria, 31 can equal both AL (All) and LA (Nothing). So it could be that in the printed lyrics to Pi, KaTe replaces (or combines) Nothing with Everything, with All.. “Everything comes from nothing!” is also a principle very evident on the Never For Ever cover, which Paul has posted... The Shakespearean "nothing" might also be interpreted as representing the feminine out of which everything comes. Indeed, the 0 (zero, Nuit, which is Existence) can represent the Void, The Goddess, Infinite Nuit, the Unmanifest, the "number" out of which everything comes... Rosa's poem, "I dreamt of zero as an egg" ... So with AERIAL, The Fool ("nothing"/LA/0) has arrived at The World ("everything"/AL/31)...
Aerial's Pi is followed by Bertie... And motherhood is certainly the beginning of another big cycle of life... "The World represents an ending to a cycle of life, a pause in life before the next big cycle beginning with the fool. The figure is at once male and female, above and below, suspended between the heavens and the earth. It is completeness." (wiki)the heavens and the earth... A Sea of Honey and A Sky of Honey... completeness...
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Post by Adena on Jun 17, 2008 11:39:12 GMT
Sat In Your Lap in relation to Get Out Of My House and Leave It Open
The person in this song is seeking a place of belonging where their work pays off and they are happy. This ties in to mania/depression where mania brings 'on top of the world' and leaves an astounding emptiness behind it. Mania is, if you like, a false happiness. The person cannot attain knowledge no matter how hard they try.
Slamming doors, shutting paths. A false happiness covered by a crazy level of energy. Perhaps, frustration at the difference between the two states of bipolar. The person has been able to learn things (irrelevant things in terms of this great analysis) before with great speed. Now, they're depressed, lonely, with no idea. Life squirming inside gives way to a rather large empty cavern, stress, almost mental decomposition.
The knowledge cup will never overflow. The more the depressed person learns, the more they groan. The more they groan, the more they fall apart. The more they fall apart, the worse they feel. The worse they feel, the more they learn. And so on. In the state of depression, there is harm in one too. A blade is all it takes, apparently, to make oneself alive, numb, whatever one needs. During a manic period, one is on top of the world. When one is depressed, one realises how insignificant one is. And when one is just beginning, what better than to feel alive?
In the end, the person resolves to take a journey to a deeply spiritual place. It doesn't matter where it is.
Perhaps they want salvation?
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Post by tannis on Jun 17, 2008 15:00:44 GMT
I love Sat In Your Lap, Get Out Of My House and Leave It Open, the psychology behind them is intriguing... I agree that SIYL taps into bipolar and/or the artistic temperament. The song opens with a desire to 'fit in', followed by an admission to extreme unhappiness. The problem is identified with the knowledge quest; and it's like all this is going on in a library or monastery, with other students naturally completing assignments and moving up the ladder, while our protagonist struggles with frustration and a crazy level of energy. Then we have the admission, "just when I think I'm king", and the song shifts from depression to mania, becoming increasingly manic, and spirally off across the elements...
Artistic temperament: The tendency for those who are highly artistic to show dramatic swings in emotion. While not solely possessed by artists, it is highly prevalent among artists of all media, including painters, sculptors, musicians, writers, etc. This behavior is often characterized by being highly passionate about subjects of importance to the possessor of this behavior, extremely dedicated to certain goals, often hyper-aware of the presence of others, and at other times seemingly oblivious to the presence of others (which explains the odd, extreme movements some artists may have while performing their art.) It is also accompanied by the full range of all the emotions, often elevated to extremes. There is a theory that this due to the high instance of bipolar disorder in the artistic community, however this is a subject of debate. Also, in some individuals its origin could be due to a self-fulfilling expectation that, "Since I am an artist, I should have an artistic temperament."
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jun 17, 2008 16:27:56 GMT
Sat In Your Lap in relation to Get Out Of My House and Leave It OpenThe person in this song is seeking a place of belonging where their work pays off and they are happy. This ties in to mania/depression where mania brings 'on top of the world' and leaves an astounding emptiness behind it. Mania is, if you like, a false happiness. The person cannot attain knowledge no matter how hard they try. Interesting post. I agree that SIYL, Leave It Open, and GOoMH have very strong connections to each other. And your ideas about bipolar disorder are quite fitting. Yes, the songs do show a contrast between an illusory happiness and a great level of energy, and a despair with profound emptiness. Maybe the thing is that her cup always seems to be either overflowing or completely empty? In either case, she can't quite hold on to and use the 'water' that is knowledge. I think that searching for salvation is at the very heart of The Dreaming.
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Post by Adena on Jun 18, 2008 11:08:08 GMT
I know a lot about bipolar spectrum illnesses, and quite a few people with them.
I've finally made the effort to theorize about Kate!
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