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Violin
Apr 1, 2005 18:28:44 GMT
Post by saloldgal on Apr 1, 2005 18:28:44 GMT
Whenever I listen to "Violin" (especially the first part) I always notice its similarity to the early music of Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music. Is this coincidence, my imagination, or the result of their influence on Kate? Has Kate ever spoken of being influenced by them?
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Violin
Apr 1, 2005 18:51:28 GMT
Post by Xanadu on Apr 1, 2005 18:51:28 GMT
Whenever I listen to "Violin" (especially the first part) I always notice its similarity to the early music of Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music. Is this coincidence, my imagination, or the result of their influence on Kate? Has Kate ever spoken of being influenced by them? Oh, definitely, Sal. I must have posted that somewhere here a while ago, before you joined us (I'll have to find it). You're the first other person to see that connection. I was a fan before I was one of Kate's, so that hit me immediately when I listened to NFE. I have somewhere an article that has Kate commenting on an early Roxy album being a favorite. I'll find the quote and place it here. I also have an taped interview from around HOL, where she is asked who would she like to work with... and she states she'd love to work with Gabriel again, and always wanted to have the opportunity to work with Bryan Ferry. As a matter of fact, if you have his album Frantic, I can really hear how Kate's vocals would have worked on many of the songs. Let me know if you have it. We should probably take this to Music Homeground.. hmm? Glad I'm not alone in this. ;D
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Violin
Apr 1, 2005 19:26:56 GMT
Post by saloldgal on Apr 1, 2005 19:26:56 GMT
Hi Xan,
No, I don't have "Frantic". However, I just looked it up on Amazon and it sounds good, so maybe I will order it!
According to Amazon, "Frantic" was originally released in 2002. How does it compare style-wise to their music from the 70s and 80s?
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Violin
Jul 17, 2005 13:43:49 GMT
Post by stev0 on Jul 17, 2005 13:43:49 GMT
Getting more to the musical aspect of this song - it's one of my favorite "turn the volume to 11 and bounce around the room" Kate songs. Yet many KateFans I know *HATE* this song. They consider it one of her worst. I always thought it was because they want another Lionheart-type mellow lullaby. Which is another reason I love the song so much - I love it when people take off in unexpected directions.
But is my theory correct? Why IS there such resentment of this song?
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Violin
Jul 21, 2005 16:31:48 GMT
Post by Sheila on Jul 21, 2005 16:31:48 GMT
Getting more to the musical aspect of this song - it's one of my favorite "turn the volume to 11 and bounce around the room" Kate songs. Yet many KateFans I know *HATE* this song. They consider it one of her worst. I always thought it was because they want another Lionheart-type mellow lullaby. Which is another reason I love the song so much - I love it when people take off in unexpected directions. But is my theory correct? Why IS there such resentment of this song? I think your theory is spot on! I was never as big a fan of her mellow lullaby stuff--those who liked sweet little Cathy maybe had a hard time accepting crazy mad Kate. In fact second only to Sat In Your Lap it was the song that got me into Kate in the first place! Another mention, or did I say this already 2 years ago? I like how she added a pun to the final version--changing "over the quavers, under the bars" to the clever pun "over the quavers, drunk in the bars" HEE HEE HEE
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Violin
Jul 21, 2005 17:25:36 GMT
Post by genesismalachi23 on Jul 21, 2005 17:25:36 GMT
Liiike woooow maaaan, totally tripindiculer avatar Sheila!
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Violin
Oct 7, 2005 12:41:11 GMT
Post by Kevin2 on Oct 7, 2005 12:41:11 GMT
Before actually seeing the lyrics I heard
Jigging along with the fiddle, oh, Johnny
as
chicken the long way, oh fiddle the journey
and
Get the bow going!
was completely indecipherable to me.
(wow, I've apparently managed to get "indecipherable" right on the first try)
~~~ and genmal - where's your plugin?!
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Oct 7, 2005 15:18:33 GMT
Post by Sheila on Oct 7, 2005 15:18:33 GMT
chicken the long way, oh fiddle the journey THAT'S AWESOME!!! I think I'm going to change the quote under my avatar...! ;D
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Violin
Oct 10, 2005 8:48:27 GMT
Post by Kevin2 on Oct 10, 2005 8:48:27 GMT
chicken the long way, oh fiddle the journey THAT'S AWESOME!!! I think I'm going to change the quote under my avatar...! ;D Go for it! And at the end put - Confuscius I knew that couldn't really be it, but every time I listened to it that's what I would hear.
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Oct 11, 2005 3:50:39 GMT
Post by Sheila on Oct 11, 2005 3:50:39 GMT
Go for it! And at the end put - Confuscius Don't push your foot on the heartbrake buddy! ;D Confuscius is crossing the line!
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Violin
Oct 12, 2005 9:18:13 GMT
Post by Kevin2 on Oct 12, 2005 9:18:13 GMT
[Don't push your foot on the heartbrake buddy! ;D Confuscius is crossing the line! chicken way long the journey - oh fiddle! my sig appears to be breaking down in so many places
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Violin
Oct 12, 2005 21:07:16 GMT
Post by Sheila on Oct 12, 2005 21:07:16 GMT
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get the bow going.
Oh fiddle the journey!
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Violin
Apr 21, 2008 1:32:45 GMT
Post by tannis on Apr 21, 2008 1:32:45 GMT
"I tend to think of it ['Violin'] as being what prog-rockers thought the music world was heading toward in the mid-1970s. It’s an old-school instrumentalists’ fantasy of a big rock concert, in which a violin could be as effective as an electric guitar." www.markelliswalker.net/music/index.html'Violin' brings to mind the devilish The Charlie Daniels Band - The Devil Went Down To Georgia. Both songs feature 'Johnny', so 'Violin' could be KT's response to TDWDTG:The Charlie Daniels Band - The Devil Went Down To Georgiawww.youtube.com/watch?v=cDm_ZHyYTrgThe devil went down to Georgia. He was lookin' for a soul to steal. He was in a bind 'cause he was way behind, and he was willin' to make a deal, when he came across this young man sawin' on a fiddle and playin' it hot. And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, "Boy, let me tell you what. I guess you didn't know it but I'm a fiddle player, too. And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you. Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due. I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul, 'cause I think I'm better than you." The boy said, "My name's Johnny, and it might be a sin. But I'll take your bet, you're gonna regret, 'cause I'm the best that's ever been."
Johnny, rosin up your bow and play your fiddle hard, 'cause hell's broke loose in Georgia and the devil deals the cards. And if you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold. But if you lose, the devil gets your soul.
The devil opened up his case and he said, "I'll start this show." And fire flew from his fingertips as he rosined up his bow. And he pulled the bow across the strings and it made an evil hiss. Then a band of demons joined in and it sounded somethin' like this:
When the devil finished, Johnny said, "Well, you're pretty good, old son, but sit down in that chair right there and let me show you how it's done.
Fire on the mountain. Run, boys, run. The devil's in the House of the Rising Sun. Chicken in the bread pan pickin' out dough. Granny, does your dog bite? No, child, no.
The devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat. And he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet. Johnny said, "Devil, just come on back if you ever want to try again. 'Cause I told you once, you son of a gun, I'm the best that's ever been.""The song is a narrative about the devil, who comes to Georgia in desperation and "willin' to make a deal." He spies a young fiddle player named Johnny, who calls himself "the best there's ever been", and challenges him to a fiddle-playing contest. The terms are that if Johnny should win the contest, he will get a fiddle made of gold, but should he lose, he will forfeit his soul. Confident in his talent with the fiddle, Johnny accepts the challenge. The devil performs with the backing of a demon band ["Give me the Banshees for B.V.s!"], but is squarely beaten by the more talented Johnny. In the end, Johnny gets his golden fiddle, and with cocky bravado, even dares the Devil to return for a rematch." (wiki)'Violin' is The Devil Went Down To Georgia #2, with KaTe challenging the devil to a maniacal contest, and performing with the backing of a demon band: "Give me the Banshees for B.V.s!" Does Kate win or lose? Whatever, 'Violin' certainly celebrates the devilish spirit of the fiddle! ... 'Violin': The Live at Hammersmith Odeon 1979 vocal
Hear the haunting melody. Leave me enough for my country. Here in a wood, in a green valley, Hearing the Banshee a-riddle. Hearing the Banshee a-riddle.
Jigging along with the fiddle, oh, Johnny. Jigging along with the fiddle, oh, Johnny Jigging along with the fiddle, oh, Johnny.
becomes the Never For Ever 1980 vocal
Paganini up on the chimney Lord of the dance With Nero and old Nicky Whack that devil Into my fiddlestick! Give me the Banshees for B.V.s Give me the Banshees for B.V.s
Jigging along with the fiddle, oh, Johnny Jigging along with the fiddle-dee-dee Jigging along with the fiddle-dee-diddle-dee-dee!A fan once asked Kate for the actual lyrics in a Newsletter, but (no surprise) she was evasive, saying that she had "forgotten" them, that they had changed several times throughout the tour, and that they weren't very good.[/color] gaffa.org/dreaming/nfe.html#violin"Whack that devil Into my fiddlestick!"Kate Bush - Live at Hammersmith Odeon - 3 of 12 www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-m8nv2SrA KT summons up the Devil and loses her soul. 1979. In the Odeon performance, Simon Drake plays Pan, the Devil, Satan incarnate. 2:38...Who entertained the audience while you changed costumes on your 1979 Tour? I heard that it was a magician. Is this true? It is impossible to tell from the video. KT: "There was a fantastic magician in show--Simon Drake. He made things float, glide and fly, not to mention disappear. However, most costume changes were done very quickly over extended fade-outs and extended intros. into the songs." Kate's KBC article Issue 17gaffa.org/garden/kate19.htmlKATE BUSH on THE DEVIL
"Woman let me in! Let me bring in the memories! Woman let me in! Let me bring in the Devil Dreams!"
'Violin' is for all the mad fiddlers, from Paganini to Old Nick; 'Jig of Life' celebrates the devilish spirit of the fiddle; 'Heads We're Dancing' features the devil as a charming man; The Red Shoes album cover shows spell-cast shoes; The Red Shoes song is a ruthless Deal With the Devil; and writing on RUTH, KaTe says that she initially thought of a deal with the devil but thought that a deal with God would be more powerful:KT: I was trying to say that, really, a man and a woman, can't understand each other because we are a man and a woman. And if we could actually swap each others roles, if we could actually be in each others place for a while, I think we'd both be very surprised! [Laughs] And I think it would be lead to a greater understanding. And really the only way I could think it could be done was either... you know, I thought a deal with the devil, you know. And I thought, "well, no, why not a deal with God!" You know, because in a way it's so much more powerful the whole idea of asking God to make a deal with you. You see, for me it is still called "Deal With God", that was it's title. Radio 1, Classic Albums: Hounds Of Love, Richard Skinner, Jan 26, 1992gaffa.org/reaching/ir85_r1.htmlDeal with the Devil Old Nick is a well-known appellation of the Devil. A deal with the Devil, pact with the Devil, or Faustian bargain is a cultural motif widespread wherever the Devil is vividly present, most familiar in the legend of Faust and the figure of Mephistopheles, but elemental to many Christian folktales. In the Aarne-Thompson typological catalogue, it lies in category AT 756B – "The devil's contract". According to traditional Christian belief in witchcraft, the pact is between a person and Satan or any other demon (or demons); the person offers his or her soul in exchange for diabolical favours. Those favours vary by the tale, but tend to include youth, knowledge, wealth, or power. It was also believed that some persons made this type of pact just as a sign of recognising the Devil as their master, in exchange for nothing. Regardless, the bargain is a dangerous one, for the price of the Fiend's service is the wagerer's soul. The tale may have a moralizing end, with eternal damnation for the foolhardy venturer. Conversely it may have a comic twist, in which a wily peasant outwits the Devil, characteristically on a technical point. Among the credulous, any apparently superhuman achievement might be credited to a pact with the Devil, from the numerous European Devil's Bridges to the superb violin technique of Niccolò Paganini.KB: "Violin is for all the mad fiddlers, from "Paganini" to "Old Nick" himself."gaffa.org/garden/kate8.htmlAlleged diabolical pacts in history Musicians: The idea of "selling your soul for instrumental prowess/fame" has occurred several times within music usually in guitar dominated genres and more specifically in heavy metal. Blues mans cross roads, located in Tchula Junction, Mississippi, is said to be the universal meeting grounds for such exchange. It was said that in your twenty-seventh year the devil would come to collect his property. Niccolò Paganini: Italian violinist, who may not have started the rumour but played along with it. Kate Bush: English singer, songwriter, musician, and record producer. The Emperor who "fiddled while Rome burned" Nero Ceasar = 666 = Antichrist! Nero was the fifth and last Roman Emperor of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Nero's rule is often associated with tyranny and extravagance. He is known for a number of executions, including his mother and adoptive brother, as the emperor who "fiddled while Rome burned" and an early persecutor of Christians. In 53, he married his stepsister Claudia Octavia. Nero enjoyed singing to the harp and poetry. In 64, Nero began singing in public in order to improve his popularity. In 68 a military coup drove Nero into hiding. Facing execution, he reportedly committed forced suicide. It was said by Cassius Dio that he uttered the last words "Jupiter, what an artist perishes in me!"JIG OF LIFE: Summoning the Devil KT: "I suppose the suggestion of the fiddle as the Devil's music is not unintentional: the idea of a spirit being conjured from the future; that uncanny, uncomfortable feeling of two times meeting. And it's very much meant to be the first delivery of hope on that side of the album..." The Tony Myatt interview, Nov. 1985gaffa.org/reaching/im85_tm.htmlThe term "a Pact With the Devil" is sometmes used metaphorically to condemn persons perceived as having collaborated with an evil person or regime. For example, the still-controversial case of Rudolf Kastner in Israel's early years. The term "Pact With the Devil" was used in reference to Kastner's alleged collaboration with Adolf Eichmann during the Holocaust in 1944 Hungary; according to some, use of this term served to inflame public hatred against Kastner, culminating with his being assasinated.HEADS WE'RE DANCING: They say that the Devil is a charming man... KT: "The devil's task is to tempt and temptation has to be attractive. Hitler is the closest personification of evil..." "Love, Trust and Hitler", November 1989 gaffa.org/reaching/i89_tr.html KT: "I was thinking of the devil incarnate, the ultimate evil..." Associated Press, reprinted in Valley Herald, Nov. 17 1989 gaffaweb.org/reaching/i89_ap.html KT: "So I was thinking, what if you met the Devil? The Ultimate One: charming, elegant, well spoken..." New Musical Express, "In the Realm of the Senses ", October 7, 1989gaffaweb.org/reaching/i89_nme2.htmlKate Bush - Violin (1979 Xmas Special) www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoQHVEXODgg ...Kate in a bat costume performing Violin.
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