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Post by Neo Stella on Mar 21, 2004 17:46:55 GMT
If you discovered the masterpiece that is your life, within the galleries of higher artistic appreciation, how would it affect your self esteem?
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Post by strabley on Mar 22, 2004 18:30:03 GMT
That depends, on the liquid or in tab form? I'm sorry, this really is a great question. I'm pretty sure my self esteem would be risen to new heights, but the distractions of day to day life and jerks who live only to make themselves look better by stomping on the spirits of those around them can be quite strangulating, especially to someone as sensitive as me... " what do I see? My eyes are full, but my face is empty..."
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Post by Adey on Mar 22, 2004 19:13:08 GMT
If you discovered the masterpiece that is your life, within the galleries of higher artistic appreciation, how would it affect your self esteem? I'm sorry Doug, I have absolutely no idea. I'm not even sure if I properly understand the question, which seems worded strangely to me.
There is something oddly comforting about being relatively anonymous. If my life - and presumably whatever achievements it included - were to become the subject of artistic evaluation and appreciation, I think I would be unhappy. Not because I don't have an ego, but because I know that I have not made the most of whatever talents I have been given. The minutiae and distractions of just getting on with life, and meeting the expectations of family and friends, has seen to that. If I were to become a public figure, I would regret the things I hadn't achieved rather than celebrating that which I had.
I would probably also find the weight of expectation to be difficult or maybe even unsupportable. I think of this and how it must affect KB, as she prepares her latest work...
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Post by Neo Stella on Mar 22, 2004 21:23:37 GMT
That depends, on the liquid or in tab form? I'm sorry, this really is a great question. I'm pretty sure my self esteem would be risen to new heights, but the distractions of day to day life and jerks who live only to make themselves look better by stomping on the spirits of those around them can be quite strangulating, especially to someone as sensitive as me... " what do I see? My eyes are full, but my face is empty..." Thanks for responding Sheila. The beautiful piece that is your life appears to be filled with bright colours at the centre fading to darker hues at the edges. Remember Sheila, there are stormy scenes in the best productions. (Irritating characters complete the picture)
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Post by Neo Stella on Mar 22, 2004 21:27:48 GMT
I would probably also find the weight of expectation to be difficult or maybe even unsupportable. I think of this and how it must affect KB, as she prepares her latest work...It depends how it is processed. One person's stress is another's energy. I am sorry for the esoteric nature of the question. Asked another way: Would it make you feel any better to realise the extent of your influence?
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Post by Adey on Mar 23, 2004 12:17:19 GMT
Don't apologise about the question Doug - I understood it well enough to answer it!
More members should consider this question and respond. It is a valuable self study aid.
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Post by Xanadu on Mar 23, 2004 20:08:35 GMT
Would it make you feel any better to realise the extent of your influence? Any better? I think it's a major problem I deal with on a regular basis. A voice that is never heard... can be incredibly frustrating, especially when it is at the very core of your unbringing. To be acknowledged would be a major source of healing on many levels. I'm not speaking artistically. Anyway, I think it would depend on how long you had yearned for that acceptance. To have tried much of your life to be acknowledged and then be given that realm of influence would be a huge boost to your esteem. If it had been given too soon, perhaps it would not be valued as much as it should. If I had been in a creative situation where my art had touched the lives of so many, even had the power to uplift the souls in the most dire of situations, I would be so filled with pride I don't think the critics could matter anymore. Even to have touched one soul. I believe artists (musically and otherwise) do themselves a disservice removing themselves from exposure to everyday fans. I understand the fear involved in worship and adulation, but there are so many rewards to reap. But maybe over time.... you'd take it for granted. The power of influence is a delicate matter, easily squandered. So few are ever in this position and one must remember that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Nice to see you back Neo.
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Post by strabley on Mar 23, 2004 21:49:03 GMT
You are totally right, Zan! Good to see you back too! Let me ask you this, though, Do you think Kate was given that influence too early? Would she put out albums at a quicker pace if she didn't? She doesn't seem like the kind of person to take things for granted, but what do you think here?
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Post by Neo Stella on Mar 23, 2004 23:04:46 GMT
Zan, you have so much to say. What is the art closest to your heart? Sheila, Kate's life is evolving exactly how it is meant to. All her experiences have taken her to where she is now, ready to release her latest expression of what she feels. We are sure to love it, because we love her.
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Post by Xanadu on Mar 24, 2004 20:01:05 GMT
You are totally right, Zan! Good to see you back too! Let me ask you this, though, Do you think Kate was given that influence too early? Would she put out albums at a quicker pace if she didn't? She doesn't seem like the kind of person to take things for granted, but what do you think here? Thanks Sheila, but I wasn't really gone... just spread too thin. I guess I can't keep up with the rate. Anyway, your question is really more complicated that you may think. I'd answer yes, since I believe it would be hard for anyone to process that sort of acclaim at such a young age. I can't say how she did however. She seems to have not lost herself yet. I think she has gone to great lengths to protect herself emotionally and spiritually, perhaps more because she was so young and developing into an artistic adult under the harsh scrutiny of the spotlight. The main problem I believe is when someone is labeled as a genius or "wunderkind" too early in their career. To be aware of your own contributions to your profession while your career is still young may be too overwhelming. You cannot be free to make other choices or mistakes. Everything you create is held against your previous body of work and image in comparison. Perhaps that leads to the perfectionist nature of her process, the fear she will let down those who always expect too much, and maybe she would have released more material otherwise. At the end of the day, this is only music. Others I believe who were subject to this were Steve Winwood and Peter Green... Winwood maintained his integrity and style, while Green couldn't handle the pressures. You can apply this to many other creative professions, such as film, literature, etc. And as for this taken for granted... I can't really say. I only have her lack of contact with the fans and output to use as examples. The very nature of art is to connect with other individuals on an emotional level. How can you feel that you are accomplishing that if you isolate yourself from that exposure? Charts, awards, sales... can't serve as a substitute for that connection. She is entitled to her private life, and I completely support that, but as an artist you choose to expose yourself and live a different sort of life, and it's taken for granted when all the wealth you earn from that creation is then used to disregard it. Did I answer your question, Sheila. Now who's dizzy... Zan, you have so much to say. What is the art closest to your heart? I suppose I do, sometimes... I'm just rarely sure that my point even comes across or is regarded at all. (See above). As for art, I'm guess this is vague since I believe your soul is the greatest piece of art you'll create. It is all close to my heart, and I suppose I am a "jack of all trades and a master of none." I find beauty in everything from music, film, literature, painting, etc. to food, psychology, research, and history. Sheila, Kate's life is evolving exactly how it is meant to. All her experiences have taken her to where she is now, ready to release her latest expression of what she feels. We are sure to love it, because we love her. Personally, I only hope that she is fulfilled in whatever she has chosen. I would never what her to feel obligated (probably my least favorite word) to release an album. I would be against her very nature. I am very acutely aware of desperation and insincerity in art. I find it unbearable. When she is ready, she'll release another album, if ever. My only complaint is the awkward nature of the release. Be true to yourself Kate, if feel you have created what you were meant to, you can let it go and embrace a new life. But if it is those at EMI that taunt the fans with the rumor of another album, that I won't tolerate. I'm sure I'll love it, as I do the others, but only if she has remained true to the woman and artist that she is. Thanks Neo, for posting such a thought proking question. I have enjoyed it. Sorry for going on a bit.
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Post by Al Truest on Mar 25, 2004 2:36:06 GMT
Would it make you feel any better to realise the extent of your influence? Only the positive.
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Post by Al Truest on Mar 25, 2004 3:00:36 GMT
......I believe it would be hard for anyone to process that sort of acclaim at such a young age. I can't say how she did however. She seems to have not lost herself yet. I think she has gone to great lengths to protect herself emotionally and spiritually, perhaps more because she was so young and developing into an artistic adult under the harsh scrutiny of the spotlight. The main problem I believe is when someone is labeled as a genius or "wunderkind" too early in their career. To be aware of your own contributions to your profession while your career is still young may be too overwhelming. You cannot be free to make other choices or mistakes. Everything you create is held against your previous body of work and image in comparison. Perhaps that leads to the perfectionist nature of her process, the fear she will let down those who always expect too much To me, therein lies the rub. I believe she trusts her vision enough to put herself way out there. The second guessing at that point becomes just polishing the edges. But that awareness of how it will be perceived may be a source of anxiety and apprehesion for a labor of such length in the making. Steve Winwood lives close by to me. The connection, it would seem to me would be the expression itself. She may languish in the creation of her art. But more probably, she enjoys the process as much or more than the letting go. The vicarious feelings of imagining the myriad of interpretations of works in progress may be a great source of inspiration to her. This is a beautiful sentiment which I have an affinity for (with? ). I'm sure I will love it as well. I trust that it will help put her story into more complete perspective.
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Post by Adey on Mar 25, 2004 13:10:56 GMT
Thanks Sheila, but I wasn't really gone... just spread too thin. I guess I can't keep up with the rate. Anyway, your question is really more complicated that you may think. I'd answer yes, since I believe it would be hard for anyone to process that sort of acclaim at such a young age. I can't say how she did however. She seems to have not lost herself yet. I think she has gone to great lengths to protect herself emotionally and spiritually, perhaps more because she was so young and developing into an artistic adult under the harsh scrutiny of the spotlight. The main problem I believe is when someone is labeled as a genius or "wunderkind" too early in their career. To be aware of your own contributions to your profession while your career is still young may be too overwhelming. You cannot be free to make other choices or mistakes. Everything you create is held against your previous body of work and image in comparison. Perhaps that leads to the perfectionist nature of her process, the fear she will let down those who always expect too much, and maybe she would have released more material otherwise. At the end of the day, this is only music. Others I believe who were subject to this were Steve Winwood and Peter Green... Winwood maintained his integrity and style, while Green couldn't handle the pressures. You can apply this to many other creative professions, such as film, literature, etc. And as for this taken for granted... I can't really say. I only have her lack of contact with the fans and output to use as examples. The very nature of art is to connect with other individuals on an emotional level. How can you feel that you are accomplishing that if you isolate yourself from that exposure? Charts, awards, sales... can't serve as a substitute for that connection. She is entitled to her private life, and I completely support that, but as an artist you choose to expose yourself and live a different sort of life, and it's taken for granted when all the wealth you earn from that creation is then used to disregard it. Did I answer your question, Sheila. Now who's dizzy... I suppose I do, sometimes... I'm just rarely sure that my point even comes across or is regarded at all. (See above). As for art, I'm guess this is vague since I believe your soul is the greatest piece of art you'll create. It is all close to my heart, and I suppose I am a "jack of all trades and a master of none." I find beauty in everything from music, film, literature, painting, etc. to food, psychology, research, and history. Personally, I only hope that she is fulfilled in whatever she has chosen. I would never what her to feel obligated (probably my least favorite word) to release an album. I would be against her very nature. I am very acutely aware of desperation and insincerity in art. I find it unbearable. When she is ready, she'll release another album, if ever. My only complaint is the awkward nature of the release. Be true to yourself Kate, if feel you have created what you were meant to, you can let it go and embrace a new life. But if it is those at EMI that taunt the fans with the rumor of another album, that I won't tolerate. I'm sure I'll love it, as I do the others, but only if she has remained true to the woman and artist that she is. Thanks Neo, for posting such a thought proking question. I have enjoyed it. Sorry for going on a bit. This was a nice piece Xan. I covered some of the same ground in my post on the General Board, What Does the Future Hold for KB? Have a look if you don't recall it or never noticed it. History is full of examples of great artists nearly destroyed by their work or (perhaps) their inability to rationalise it - Dylan Thomas,Richard Burton,Tchaikovski (sp),Hendrix,Peter Green,Syd Barrett and on and on. I love the quote (don't know who) " The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long "
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Post by Adey on Mar 25, 2004 20:53:44 GMT
Masterpiece!
Hmm, sorry, a few of my recent posts have been rather less than that. After preaching on the Binge Posting thread, I've suddenly found myself busy and unable to give good responses to a few really top notch posts in the last day or two. If anyone feels that I've short changed them, I apologise. I wanted to acknowledge them at least, hence the brevity of some of my comments. I will do better...
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Post by Xanadu on Mar 25, 2004 23:37:26 GMT
If anyone feels that I've short changed them, I apologise. I wanted to acknowledge them at least, hence the brevity of some of my comments. I will do better... No appologies necessary. Brevity can be important as well and I haven't felt "short changed" in the slightest. I'm patient and your thoughts are worth waiting for. Thanks for the positive comment about my post, and I'll be sure to look your's up to refresh, I may have missed it at the rate things get buried when you search for "fresh posts."
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