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Post by Sto on Jun 5, 2003 17:55:30 GMT
Al' - I'm in a bit of a heavy peroid of exams at the moment but I'll download the Loreena McKennitt songs in a couple of weeks after they're over (she sounds intriguing!) and comment then
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 5, 2003 19:11:08 GMT
Sure thing! Good luck on your exams. Everybody direct positive energy Sto's way.
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Post by Lori on Jun 5, 2003 20:04:53 GMT
Everybody direct positive energy Sto's way. ::: directing :::
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 5, 2003 23:30:00 GMT
Hey, if it's no more bother, direct the lotto numbers to match those on my ticket.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jun 6, 2003 1:20:15 GMT
Wow! Altruest, you have certainly reached some depth here! The play list is absolutely superb! A real journey of spiritual discovery. Loreena McKennitt seems to me to be Kate in a parallel dream. (pun intended) Our imagination, if given free reign, can create anything. It is within this domain that we can discover who we truly are. Time, space, God, right, wrong, us, love, experience; infact any concept of self and expression, is a construct of mind. Einstein realised with his theory of relativity that existence occurs in relation to itself, thus was born quantum theory. Even a brief perusal of the cutting edge science shows that there is no limit to what is possible. I.e time travel, creation of matter, alternate universes,etc.. So, to answer your questions succinctly: * Time influences and changes our thoughts by the way we process it. * Time in our dreams only exists in relation to waking consciousness. * Thoughts and actions can have equal significance on the fate of your soul, depending on the level of mind on which you are operating. I hope this is an acceptable response Al.
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 6, 2003 2:28:06 GMT
You are indeed on the same wavelength as me on some of these issues. For example I would have never picked up on Ms McKennitt if not for Ms Bush. In that respect there is a parallel journey going on. Also your observations on the philosophical questions were well considered. I do agree to the extent that any of us can ever really know the answers with absolute certainty. I'll advance the discussion to include how the power of thought can be used for great good or great evil. Consider the mind of Adolf Hitler. It was his thoughts that were extrapolated into the horrors of the holocaust, These were not solely his actions, but the power of his will over the thoughts of ordinary citizens of the world who let it happen. Juxtaposed to that is the power of, and the spirit of community in, the arts. The music, the poetry, the literature, the art, all those things that celebrate what is beautiful about life and the sensual world around us. More specifically this is an extension of my question of 'Art vs. Fundamentalism'. Much violence and hatred has been advanced in the name of idealism, religion and cultism. To me God by definition would be Love and Justice in harmony. I will disagree MT though, on time travel. Yes, it may be possible on an intellectual and spiritual level, but; If time travelling is to occur in the future, then why are we not visited by these future travelers now? And don't tell me that they're amoung us, 'cos that would negate our development and even our existience. (The ball's in your court ) I look foward to your response. p.s. Correct me if I'm wrong but 'a brief perusal' would be an oxymoron. ;D
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Post by Neo Stella on Jun 6, 2003 9:28:23 GMT
Oxymoron? what is that, a mental spot remover? For me the concept of time travel has long been a facination. Within the realm of science fiction, movement through the fourth dimension features prominently as a creative story idea. Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, regularly used the ability to reach other time zones to explore our humanity because lifting the limitation of the arrow of time opens up interesting possibilities for story lines. It also creates paradoxes as in the idea of going back in time to kill your grandmother, therefore you would not be born, so how could you go back to kill her in the first place. Having read numerous texts on the ideas of time travel, I have reached the point where I do believe it is possible. However, each movement creates a new dimension, hence, the dimension in which your grandmother was killed is not the one that you are from. That explains why there is no evidence of time travellers currently on this dimension. At least not in your own mind. With regard to purpose to which the power of thought is directed and tying up the art vs fundamentalist issue, I would like to make this philosophical observation: Where we stand on any issue is determined by many different factors. Enviroment, culture, genetics, chance, destiny? Ultimately we are alone in our view as each of us have a unique perspective on the meaning of things. Hitler`s ideal in its purest form was like so many ideals, a desirable reality. Unfortunately the route to this dream is laced with moral dilemma. When you breed animals you are not so tightly hemmed in by this constraint. Hitler chose to regard his objective in a similar light. Therefore great suffering was the consequence of his thoughts and his actions. What we are faced with in the human condition is the paradox of wanting a world of freedom within reason, yet who`s reason? with the need to limit how far we go with our dreams, otherwise we can engage in evil acts as was born out with the life of Adolf Hitler. I hope this wasn`t considered too long an answer!
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 7, 2003 1:32:13 GMT
I hope this wasn`t considered too long an answer! The length of your response was not a problem; I do find it presumptious to consider it an 'answer' however. Where do I begin? O.K., What happens in the fourth or fifth dimension is of no concern to me (for the sake of arguing time travel). If you can't leap back into my dimension, then you can not prove your point to me. I will concede however that quantum physics can rationalize a scenario where a space traveller could return in a far distant future. That future is so far out there, though, that it is only a dream at this point. I've read much of the same sources as you seem to have read. I, however, am attempting to paraphrase instead of plagiarize, .... You often discuss the power of the mind. It is there that I will agree that transcendental time travel would be the only viable theory. Whether it be accomplished in a spirtual realm or in an afterlife or possibly even a re-incarnation of one's soul; but to propose that our mortal bodies might flit around in parallel alternate physical universes is horsesh*t. (God if I'm wrong don't send me to some forbidden craphole ) These metaphysical theories are just that- not of THIS world. And last time I checked, this world is the one I must live in. ;D I will also agree though, that it can be fun to 'escape' and imagine the unimaginable. In that respect, it is the fuel of creative energy. But be careful on which 'Magic Bus' you board. I do enjoy the discussions though MT Oh, yeah, I agree that we all have our unique views.(as you said RE: thought and consequence) but most of us put our lives in other peoples hands everyday on the roadways. We are forced to depend on each other. We are a 'Community' of unique individuals. We have certain innate senses of humanity. Evil can be simply good people letting it happen. Good, God, or 'Higher Power' in my view have love and justice as the foundation. These principles should be achieved by our common moral center. Freedom and expression are so threatening, however; to those who have been indoctrinated with 'learned' prejudice and intolerance. Therein lies most of the world's evil. Religion, idealism and cultism can corrupt the innocence of free thought and expression. Art in it's truest form is a powerful and liberating force. Reality's ultimate root is the search and struggle. And therein lies the purpose. I hope to continue this thread, especially in light of the playlist, past tommorrow's new board posting. Would anyone else care to give their opinion here? Please do.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jun 8, 2003 9:45:26 GMT
Altruest, Having re-read many of your posts, I would like to ask you:
What is your view on the concept of destiny?
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 8, 2003 14:01:20 GMT
Good question MT.
To keep from a verbose dissertation; here's my take in a nutshell:
* Destiny is not pre determined. * Your 'path' will result in 'predictable' outcomes. * The inspiration of others can influence your fate.
Kate Bush was an early influence in my young adult life. "Them Heavy People" set me on the course of knowledge exponentially advancing my journey.
I will borrow heavily from another of my favorites, Loreena McKennitt. She quotes an old Irish saying "It is a long road that knows no turning" It can be equally prophetic when misconstued as "It's a wrong toad that knows no learning."
If my destiny is in the hands of a higher power; then I aspire to be a good traveler. It was Lau Tsu who said "A good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving."
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 8, 2003 14:20:12 GMT
MT, and others, please don't forget this weeks playlist XIII. OK. 'cos I'm ready to read your posts. ;D
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