Paul
Reaching Out
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Post by Paul on Jun 23, 2005 4:07:38 GMT
Album: Tiny Seismic WavesSongs: Hang on a CrossYoung WomanQuiet for All These Many, Many MonthsValuable ItemsThe Season Before SpringJoyous GhostTaiwanTanned HideMaternal ParentDrop From Your Eye Into your PalmMyself and a PistolTiny Seismic Waves or.... Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes.... Rewritten
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Post by Adey on Jun 23, 2005 11:14:46 GMT
Well spotted FF.. I must admit I only clocked Myself and a Pistol doh!Hey stev0, we're talking the Queen here, not the (undeniably talented) pretender..
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Post by matanchik on Jun 23, 2005 12:39:19 GMT
Well spotted FF.. I must admit I only clocked Myself and a Pistol doh!Hey stev0, we're talking the Queen here, not the (undeniably talented) pretender.. tori isn't a kate pretender. stop reading music reviews adey! and steve0, your suggestion is great :-)
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 23, 2005 17:09:43 GMT
Tori Almost? J/K
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Post by Adey on Jun 23, 2005 20:54:35 GMT
tori isn't a kate pretender. stop reading music reviews adey! and steve0, your suggestion is great :-) Thanks for that Mat.. A few points so there's no misunderstanding:I was referring to the idea of a pretender to the throne, NOT that Tori was a Kate pretender. I've been listening to Tori since the start of her career - you would have been 4/5? I think I'm entitled to comment. I gave up on reviews years ago Mat. I'm a sufficiently able musician to make up my own mind and to justify my thoughts if necessary. I don't need any other 'authority' to advise me on what is acceptable listening and who is/isn't like someone else.. For the record, I'll repeat the comments I've made here several times before ~ Tori is a class act. Thoughtful, immensely talented as a writer/singer and absolutely brilliant as a pianist. Her work is challenging whilst still being thoroughly honest. I wish that I was more familiar with her latter material than I am - one day I will be.
I do however believe that because of an accident in birthdates, Tori walks in the ground already prepared by Kate Bush. And there's nothing wrong with that..God Bless You Matanchik, your loyalty is admirable. But you really have no need to defend Miss Amos from me.
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Post by matanchik on Jun 24, 2005 10:02:20 GMT
here's my suggestion for the new album:
Dogs of affection
Climbing The mound (an agreament with lord) Dogs of affection The huge atmosphere Female parent equals cosiness Swirling fluffy things Visions of a lamb Down the frozen water Pulling the wizard out of bed I'm invisible, don't you get it?! Cradle of existence Hey universe Early day smog
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Sven Golly
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"In the night you hide from the madman you're longing to be"
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Post by Sven Golly on Jun 24, 2005 11:38:44 GMT
I'd rather she remake ''Hounds of Love" and just change the names around.
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Post by matanchik on Jun 24, 2005 12:48:54 GMT
congrats Sven, you have 666 posts
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stev0
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Post by stev0 on Jun 24, 2005 13:38:03 GMT
But they've recently discovered the number of The Beast is 616, NOT 666. No wonder millions of metalheads haven't been able to contact Satan - they've been calling the wrong number!
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Post by Al Truest on Jun 24, 2005 19:53:53 GMT
But they've recently discovered the number of The Beast is 616, NOT 666. No wonder millions of metalheads haven't been able to contact Satan - they've been calling the wrong number! Hmm. Then I want to know George Bush's ATM code. In other news, the discovery of an ancient papyrus used as mummy-wrap yielded a previously unknown poem penned by Sappho. It was published and translated recently. True or false?
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genesismalachi23
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Post by genesismalachi23 on Jun 24, 2005 23:35:54 GMT
But they've recently discovered the number of The Beast is 616, NOT 666. No wonder millions of metalheads haven't been able to contact Satan - they've been calling the wrong number! Here's an e-mail from 1993 pertaining to this story: From: andrew@srsune.shlrc.mq.edu.au (Andrew McVeigh) In-reply-to: dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu's message of Sat, 4 Dec 1993 00:41:16 GMT
In article <1993Dec4.004116.25434@martha.utcc.utk.edu> dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
> In article <2dn2fd$dqo@sus.edu.eur.nl> cspas050@sus.edu.eur.nl (M.A. Onstwedder) > writes: > >This sounds probably very unreal, but it is in fact _TRUE_: > MOTTO! > >I read somewhere a few months ago in a book, that was all about > >special numbers (not limited to church related stuff): > >That it is very credible that the number of the beast is, instead of > >666, 626 (six-two-six). And that a monk, who translated the bible, > >made a mistake. >
As a Christian, perhaps I can attempt to shed some light on this. The reference to the number '666' as being the number of the beast comes from Revelation chapter 13, verse 18:
"This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666."
[ Note that most of the following information that I am providing is sourced originally from a letter to soc.religion.christian by Edward Pothier. Hope that he doesn't mind :-)]
The book of Revelation, along with the other 26 books of the New Testament, was written in Koine Greek. The Greeks at the time used a decimal numberal system that did not have the number zero, and was not a "place-value" system. As such, to represent numbers, more than ten digits were needed -- 27 in fact... nine for the units 1,2..9; nine for the tens 10, 20,...90 and another nine for the hundreds.
For numerical symbols, they used the letters of the Greek alphabet. This presented a problem because that particular alphabet only has 24 letters. Obsolete letters from previous alphabets were supposedly used for the other three. Consider the following table:
TABLE OF NUMERICAL VALUES OF GREEK LETTERS
1 alpha 10 iota 100 rho 2 beta 20 kappa 200 sigma 3 gamma 30 lambda 300 tau 4 delta 40 mu 400 upsilon 5 epsilon 50 nu 500 phi 6 [digamma] 60 xi 600 chi 7 zeta 70 omicron 700 psi 8 eta 80 pi 800 omega 9 theta 90 [koppa] 900 [sampi]
[obsolete letters in brackets]
Hence, in a very real sense, there was a mapping between numbers and letter of the alphabet.
[me talking again :-)]
My knowledge of the meaning of the translation of 666 is pretty poor at this point, but I think one possible interpretation is that it refers to Emperor Nero of ancient Rome, who greatly persecuted the early church. This seems to be supported by the fact that some early manuscripts apparently used the number '616' instead, which translates to "Nero" (666 translates to Neron).
Another interpretation revolves around the use of the number 7 in biblical imagery. This number is often used to represent completion or perfection. Hence, God's number would be '777'. Thus, the number '666' would represent perfect incompletion, or a perfect deception...
> This, given some of the other stuff that came out of the medieval church > (anyone else ever see some of the bestiaries they came up with?) actually > sounds plausible. Especially given lighting conditions that the average > monk was prob. working under. > > >If this is true, perhaps someone else has also heard of this and can > >confirm. > >And if this was true, than a lot of movies would be pissing next the pot. > > You mean they're not already? >
The book of Revelation is written in apocalyptic language, using many symbols and images which only make sense in context. By taking them out of context, horror films have tapped into the imagery and used this to scare people in a seemingly religious way. I definitely agree that any of the horror movies related to this imagery (The Omen etc.) are basically bullsh*t, and very un-Christian.
The verses just before Revelation 13:18, i.e. 13:16 say, talking about the beast:
"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no-one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name."
I think that people who claim that credit cards and bar codes are the number of the beast are barking up the wrong tree. Even if you disregard the imagery, and read the passage literally, you have to accept that the situation would only match the one in Revelation if *everybody* was *forced* to receive some sort of identification mark in order to buy or sell things.
Cheers, Andrew McVeigh.
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genesismalachi23
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Post by genesismalachi23 on Jun 25, 2005 0:18:23 GMT
But they've recently discovered the number of The Beast is 616, NOT 666. No wonder millions of metalheads haven't been able to contact Satan - they've been calling the wrong number! Hmm. Then I want to know George Bush's ATM code. E say true, thee egyptians were renowned recyclers, E also believe thee king tutankhamon sarcophagas was another's first and then retooled because of his untimely death, and ov course many temples were torn down and thee material used for new ones.
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Post by Adey on Jun 25, 2005 1:15:46 GMT
Let him who hath understanding..
As for Sappho.. I'll go with true also.
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stev0
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Post by stev0 on Jun 25, 2005 3:52:41 GMT
In other news, the discovery of an ancient papyrus used as mummy-wrap yielded a previously unknown poem penned by Sappho. It was published and translated recently. True or false? False. She was Greek, who (as far as I know) didn't do the mummy thing.
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Sven Golly
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Post by Sven Golly on Jun 25, 2005 5:35:13 GMT
I say true. Most of the fragments of her work ( only one complete manuscript is intact to date ) were found on these kinds of papyrus in the Nile valley during the 19th century. She was Greek, however, as was correctly noted. Although married; she expressed herself with females, as you know, on the Isle of Lesbos, where she pursued an affluent lifestyle of art and expression. She was instrumental in defining how love was interpreted in verse. It is suspected as well that religious sorts destroyed much of her art earlier. 'Another blight on religion.
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