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Post by Barry SR Gowing on May 19, 2008 10:38:16 GMT
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Post by rosabelbelieve on May 19, 2008 15:08:16 GMT
Ooh, that's great.  I've always thought Kate's songwriting and lyrics are a very important aspect of her genius. Glad to see she gets the recognition she deserves for that. |
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Post by tannis on May 19, 2008 16:25:31 GMT
terrific, fantastic, amazing...KB will always be the first female to appear on a list of best British songwriters. And for her to make Number 2 in the list of All Time Great British songwriters is just great! I am so pleased... 
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Post by Adena on May 20, 2008 1:50:30 GMT
Behind only John Lennon! I am impressed...
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Post by musiclover on Dec 18, 2009 8:33:43 GMT
IMHO she should be ahead of Lennon(he was overrated).
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Post by tannis on Dec 18, 2009 12:27:30 GMT
^ But at least Bush was above Morrissey! And Bush and Morrissey both feature in another recent 'top-ten' list, this time one on bad videos...Don’t look now: 10 surefire ways to make a terrible video for a good song
3. Prance, prance, prance!
Like much of Morrissey’s best work, “November Spawned A Monster” is simultaneously cutting and empathetic, ironic and oddly sincere, cruel and ambiguously hopeful. It’s an affecting character study about a disabled girl’s romantic angst and profound despair. So why, for the love of God, does the video find Morrissey prancing around a mountainous area in a midriff-baring mesh shirt and dry-humping various rocks? Morrissey poses, pouts, prances, sashays, and tests our patience for fey dancing with over five minutes of semi-convulsive strutting. As always, Beavis said it best when he implored Morrissey to “get up, stand up straight, quit acting like a wuss, quit whining, go out and get a job and some good clothes… And another thing, stay away from those rocks!” Though it’s less “good” than “fun,” David Bowie and Mick Jagger’s cover of “Dancing In The Street” similarly subscribes to the questionable notion that there’s nothing more intoxicating than pop stars prancing about while wearing fatally tacky clothes. “Dancing In The Street” features two timeless icons of rock-star cool at their most ridiculous and dated. . .
7. Hug it out, bitches.
You’ve got to give Kate Bush credit: she’s utterly audacious and committed to executing bad, pretentious ideas with scary conviction in her artsy videos, whether that means putting Donald Sutherland in foppish period clothes and casting him as Wilhelm Reich and herself as his apparently mentally challenged son Peter in “Cloudbusting” or making semi-productive use of all those interpretive dance classes in “Running Up That Hill.” But Bush's most audaciously bad video conceit involved hugging Peter Gabriel throughout the entire video of “Don’t Give Up.” Granted, the literally touchy-feely visual matches the New Age vibe of the song; “Don’t Give Up” really is a big, comforting audio hug, but after six minutes of vertical cuddling it’s hard not to feel embarrassed for both parties. . .
9. Pay awkward homage to your heroes.
Morrissey makes so many terrible videos out of good songs that he merits two songs on this list. As his worshipful followers are all too aware, Morrissey is a James Dean super-fan. So Moz decided to turn the video for his awesome first solo single “Suedehead” into a painful homage to the late icon in which he awkwardly visits Dean’s Fairmount, Indiana hometown and perambulates about with the creepily alien body language and affect of someone who has forgotten how human beings move and behave. Morrissey’s charisma seems to have temporarily deserted him sometime before the video shoot as he plays tourist, tweely thumbs through a copy of The Little Prince (how precious!) and pays reverent homage to his own iconic past via a "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out” floor mat. “Suedehead” was a chilling omen of crappy videos to come. . .
by Sean O'Neal, Leonard Pierce, and Nathan Rabin December 14, 2009www.avclub.com/articles/dont-look-now-10-surefire-ways-to-make-a-terrible,36256/ Peter Gabriel & Kate Bush - Don't Give Up HQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFhU-NxjyKg
Morrissey - November Spawned A Monster (Official Video)
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Morrissey - Suedeheadwww.youtube.com/watch?v=0AvuweztG4Q
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Post by stufarq on Dec 22, 2009 23:48:22 GMT
IMHO she should be ahead of Lennon(he was overrated). It says a lot that their choice of classic Lennon lyric is something as trite and meaningless as 'There's nothing you can do that can't be done./ Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.' |
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 23, 2009 16:33:22 GMT
IMHO she should be ahead of Lennon(he was overrated). It says a lot that their choice of classic Lennon lyric is something as trite and meaningless as 'There's nothing you can do that can't be done./ Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.' Actually I quite appreciate that lyric for its philosophically profound simplicity.... |
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Post by musiclover on Dec 26, 2009 0:31:26 GMT
The thing is for all the most accomplished Lennon songs, how much of those soaring moments were his or Macca's/Martin's input? Like in "A Day in the life" or "Strawberry Fields Forever"? When it's solely him - "Imagine" the music just doesn't go anywhere. In fact I'd say it's more like this:
1. Kate
2. Macca
3. Waters/Gilmour
4. Jimmy Page
5. Thom Yorke
WRT to Lennon, I'd give him a nod as a lyrical genius. But musically he was not even to 10. Didn't Macca claim to have written the lead melody for "In My Life"?
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Post by stufarq on Dec 29, 2009 16:19:50 GMT
It says a lot that their choice of classic Lennon lyric is something as trite and meaningless as 'There's nothing you can do that can't be done./ Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.' Actually I quite appreciate that lyric for its philosophically profound simplicity.... It's not profound. It's a truism masquerading as profundity. If it can't be done then of course you can't do it. It's pointless to say it once - never mind twice in the same sentence. The thing is for all the most accomplished Lennon songs, how much of those soaring moments were his or Macca's/Martin's input? Like in "A Day in the life" or "Strawberry Fields Forever"? Actually, by this stage they were writing entirely independently and the songs were credited to both purely for contractual reasons. A Day In The Life is one of the few post- Beatles For Sale songs genuinely written by both and even then they wrote individual sections separately. Strawberry Fields Forever was entirely Lennon. |
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Post by Adey on Dec 29, 2009 20:13:45 GMT
Roger Waters might be an eejit with a massive ego problem, but I wouldn't argue if he was right up there with Kate. Rightly or wrongly, this was always going to be won by a Beatle. Was just a question of which one (no, not Ringo..) With this in mind, Kate actually wins! Hooray!!  |
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Post by Al Truest on Dec 29, 2009 22:23:58 GMT
Actually I quite appreciate that lyric for its philosophically profound simplicity.... It's not profound. It's a truism masquerading as profundity. If it can't be done then of course you can't do it. It's pointless to say it once - never mind twice in the same sentence. With all due respect, what constitutes profundity is subjective. Neither you or I have the authority to claim anything but opinion. That I have an affinity with the underlying sentiment is not up for discussion. Indeed that is fact. Conversely of course you may have your own opinion... Again opinion is individual. Like it or not Lennon connected more universally for whatever reasons. Naturally I believe that Kate and perhaps others you cite are more talented and worthy of recognition. But an esoteric expression, albeit deemed superior by the discerning, may not translate to popular opinion... |
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Post by musiclover on Jan 1, 2010 11:57:19 GMT
Sure Lennon wrote the acoustic demo of SFF, BUT it took Martin/McCartney to flesh it out in the studio to the version that we hear! Remember that.
AFAIK with Kate, she is 100% responsible for the final sound on the record.
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Post by tannis on Jan 2, 2010 4:27:29 GMT
^ Yes, Kate is 100% responsible for the final sound on the record...A control freak who was already overruling her record company's decisions when Madonna was still playing drums in her first group, Bush writes and produces her albums, has her own publishing company and recording studio and is self-managed. Right down to the post-production tasks of editing and sound dubbing her movie, she maintains a strict hands-on policy. The effect can be draining.
"I don't have enough hours in the day," Bush readily concedes. "I don't do everything myself. I have people working with me who are wonderful. But I've managed for so long without a manager, I'm not sure there are a lot of things I'd want a manager for. I suppose I feel that at least the decisions I make are coming from me, and I'm not put into a situation that I wouldn't want to be in."
Rolling Stone, "Dear Diary: The Secret World of Kate Bush", February 24, 1994
gaffa.org/reaching/i94_rs.html
Mark: Yeah. Even though you got you this team of people, this support network of people you need around you, it's in no way a democracy. It's your record. And you kind of make your own decision absolutely. I mean, you write it and you produce, it is entirely her vision in the end.
Kate: Yes. And that's what's the buzz for me. I don't think I could work with a producer, I'd find it terribly infuriating. I just wouldn't like it.
BBC Radio 2, "Talking with Kate", August 5, 2006gaffa.org/reaching/iv06_bbc2_Mark_Radcliff_Talking_with_Kate.html...but let's not forget Del... Future Music interview with Del Palmer, "Well red", Nov. 1993
gaffa.org/reaching/i93_fm.html
Sound on Sound interview with Del Palmer, "The Red Shoes Sessions", Dec. 1993gaffa.org/reaching/i93_ss.html
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Post by stufarq on Jan 5, 2010 19:33:39 GMT
It's not profound. It's a truism masquerading as profundity. If it can't be done then of course you can't do it. It's pointless to say it once - never mind twice in the same sentence. With all due respect, what constitutes profundity is subjective. Neither you or I have the authority to claim anything but opinion. That I have an affinity with the underlying sentiment is not up for discussion. Indeed that is fact. Conversely of course you may have your own opinion... Actually, by this stage they were writing entirely independently and the songs were credited to both purely for contractual reasons. A Day In The Life is one of the few post- Beatles For Sale songs genuinely written by both and even then they wrote individual sections separately. Strawberry Fields Forever was entirely Lennon. Again opinion is individual. Like it or not Lennon connected more universally for whatever reasons. Naturally I believe that Kate and perhaps others you cite are more talented and worthy of recognition. But an esoteric expression, albeit deemed superior by the discerning, may not translate to popular opinion... Agreed, the question of profundity is a matter of opinion. Fair point. But who wrote the song isn't. Lennon wrote it solo. McCartney and Martin contributed to the arrangement and musiclover has a point in that respect but I was simply clarifying the common misconception that Lennon and McCartney wrote together for their entire Beatles career when most of their material was written separately. I didn't suggest that Lennon was undeserving of his place on the list. I only criticised one particular lyric and the list's choice of it as his best. Nor did I cite anyone else or claim that they were more talented and worthy of recognition. Nothing in any of my posts comes close to that. |
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