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Post by Xanadu on Oct 25, 2004 20:51:16 GMT
Lori, when you have time, please finish posting the lyrics to the remaing songs on this board. Or I could help. Also I hate the name Brillo69 being spitefully reintroduced as Paul's last effort. Can this be removed? I have posted on all the threads that kept that name on the main screen. I'd like to help too, if the task is too daunting. And thanks Al, I have to say I agree with you! ;D
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Sven Golly
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Post by Sven Golly on Jan 24, 2005 17:10:23 GMT
Some things are best left unsaid.
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Post by Adey on Jan 25, 2005 3:33:48 GMT
No great mystery Cathy. Sometimes in a Forum like this there are personal disputes and/or differences of opinion. It is inevitable. Brillo 69 (we knew him by another name), closed his Sensual World Forum account after one such dispute. It was his choice to do so and he now posts on other boards. One of which is Kate Bush related, and it's style is better suited to the sort of posts Brillo 69 used to leave here. He is more than comfortable there. There's no problem with looking back occasionally and wondering "oh, what happened to so & so" , but I'd rather focus on the future and the raft load of new members who have joined the Forum recently. People like yourself, Matanchik, RA, Leon and so on..
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Mar 21, 2005 9:56:16 GMT
In my opinnion, probably the Kate song I dislike most LORI,
Why's that?
"VIOLIN" for me, as I loved "EXPERIMENT IV" immediately that I heard it, even moreso after seeing & hearing the excellent videoclip for same.
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Post by delacy on May 5, 2005 21:54:52 GMT
I must say that I like Experiment IV too - I like the control and almost factual execution of the lyrics and, on a 'simple pleasure' note, I like to listen to it through headphones because the helicopter at the end feels if it flies through your head! DeLacy xx
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Post by Paul on May 22, 2005 11:59:11 GMT
Some things are best left unsaid. I actually agree wth you.
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Post by amy on Mar 1, 2008 21:37:38 GMT
I once heard someone compare it to the Monty Python sketch about the joke that could kill and that kind of ruined it for me, but I always liked the song... This is why I like this song so much. The story is of someone making music to kill people but in the video when she winks at the camera at the end suddenly she's outside of the story and it becomes real. She's not a character anymore - she's Kate Bush and she's making music that kills!! It's so funny!
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Mar 1, 2008 21:43:16 GMT
I haven't seen this video in a while- but I do love the wink at the end. I also really like the remix of this song.
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Apr 3, 2008 9:16:55 GMT
I haven't seen this video in a while- but I do love the wink at the end. I also really like the remix of this song. Remix? I can't say it's a great favourite but the video does have Dawn French and Hugh Laurie, even though they are encouraged to overact like mad (although maybe that's the point). I do like Kate's wink at the end. It does put the whole thing in a different light. Maybe they were just using Kate's music in the experiment, turned up to 11 That sonic gun they were going to use in Iraq obviously doesn't work as good as Kate's musical weapon... The Monty Python sketch is of course "The Funniest Joke In The World" - a joke so funny that anyone who hears will instantly die laughing. British intelligence translates the joke into German and uses it in in the Second World War. The joke is so dangerous that a different translator is assigned to each word. One translator accidentally hears two words of the joke and winds up in hospital for six months... Astute viewers will note that the joke doesn't make sense in German, but that was just the Pythons safeguarding the health of mulitilingual fans --Paul--
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Apr 3, 2008 17:03:26 GMT
I meant the 12 inch mix, which is on the second CD of rarities in the TWW boxed set... it's got a string part that I like very much.
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Apr 4, 2008 0:43:02 GMT
I meant the 12 inch mix, which is on the second CD of rarities in the TWW boxed set... it's got a string part that I like very much. Thanks Rosa, yes I should have thought of that. --Paul--
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Post by Adena on Apr 14, 2008 13:46:05 GMT
I don't get this song. Personally, I'm not too keen on the music, but there has to be something in the lyrics I'm missing. It just makes no sense.
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Post by tannis on May 18, 2008 0:41:38 GMT
KB: "I consider music a really positive force, it's something that is there to help people, to make them happy, to make them think. So many wonderful things, music therapy... It's a very positive energy and there's something incredibly beautiful about music. And the thought of people using sound in such a negative way--and there are definitely sonic experiments that go on, that are used by the military--it's so obscene. The irony of using something that's so beautiful, in a way, to actually kill people rather than help them, I find fascinating."
A lot of your songs and videos are filled with frightening or disquieting images. Are you an uneasy person?
KB: "I think anyone that has any kind of creative outlet is uneasy, and that's what makes them need to express themselves. I think all human beings are uneasy on some level. How can you not be when we don't really know what we're doing here and what we're meant to do with it, it's the continual questioning going on."
"The Story So Far" (1987)gaffa.org/reaching/iv87_mm2.htmlKate Bush - Experiment IVWe were working secretly for the military Our experiment in sound was nearly ready to begin We only know in theory what we are doing Music made for pleasure, music made to thrill It was music we were making here until
(chorus) They told us all they wanted Was a sound that could kill someone from a distance So we go ahead and the meters are over in the red It's a mistake in the making
From the painful cries of mothers to a terrifying scream We recorded it and put it into our machine
(chorus)
It could feel like falling in love It could feel so bad It could feel so good It could sing you to sleep But that dream is your enemy!!
We won't be there to be blamed We won't be there to snitch I just pray that someone there can hit the switch
(chorus)
And the public are warned to stay off........."Experiment IV" was released on October 27, 1986 and climbed to number 23 in the UK Singles Chart, alongside "Don't Give Up", Bush's duet with Peter Gabriel, which reached number 9. "Speaking out of total ignorance, of course, IED seems to remember very vaguely the title "Experiment IV" before, perhaps in connection with some ghoulish Nazi era practices. Can anyone set him straight about this?"gaffa.org/dreaming/tws_exiv.htmlexperienT-4 ... T-4 is of course the name of the Nazi WWII 'euthanasia' programme. T-4 centers were places of brutal medical experiments and mass killings. 'experimenT-4'[/b] Some say that heaven is hell Some say that hell is heaven...
Adolf Hitler: ‘By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell - and hell, heaven ... The greater the lie, the more readily will it be believed’ (Mein Kampf).
It was '39, before the music started...Operation T-4 was a program in Nazi Germany, officially between 1939 and 1941, during which the regime of Adolf Hitler systematically killed between 200,000 to 250,000 people with intellectual or physical disabilities, the emotionally distraught, and elderly people. The T4 program - framed euphemistically as a “euthanasia” program - developed from the Nazi Party's policy of "racial hygiene," the belief that the German people needed to be "cleansed" of "racially unsound" elements, which included people with disabilities. The killing of patients in mental asylums and other institutions was carried out in secrecy. The Aktion T4 set important precedents for the later Holocaust of the Jews of Europe. A picture of you, a picture of you in uniform Standing with your head held high Hot down to the floor But it couldn't be you It couldn't be you It's a picture of Hitler...'T-4' referred to Tiergartenstrasse 4, the address of the Berlin Chancellery offices where the T4 'euthanasia' programme was headquartered. Operation T-4 centers were places of brutal medical experiments and mass killings of unwanted people considered a burden to society. T-4: Was "Life Unworthy of Life?"www.shoaheducation.com/t4.htmlKB on HWD: "It's the darkest track on the album and not the sort of song I'd write now. The devil's task is to tempt and temptation has to be attractive. Hitler is the closest personification of evil and I mention him not to glorify but to point out he was a man who fooled a tremendous amount of intelligent people and there's no way you could blame anyone for being fooled by that man."Nuremberg found a way: The 'Doctors' Trial' sentenced seven defendants to death by hanging.Physicians, the most highly Nazified professional group in Germany, were key to the success of "T-4," since they organized and carried out nearly all aspects of the operation. One of Hitler's personal physicians, Dr. Karl Brandt, headed the program, along with Hitler's Chancellery chief, Philip Bouhler. (During the postwar 'Doctors Trial', Dr Karl Brandt and six others would be sentenced to death.) In the beginning, patients were killed by lethal injection. The damned were bussed to killing centers in Germany and Austria, walled-in fortresses, such as former psychiatric hospitals.KB: "We filmed in an old disused hospital, and the conditions were very cold and damp, but everyone got very involved and we had a great time..." By 1940, Hitler, on the advice of Dr. Werner Heyde, suggested that carbon monoxide gas be used as the preferred method of killing. Experimental gassings had first been carried out at Brandenburg Prison in 1939. There, gas chambers were disguised as showers complete with fake nozzles in order to deceive victims... From the painful cries of mothers, To the terrifying scream...Experiment IV is notable for featuring Nigel Kennedy on violin, who at one point replicates the screeching violins from Bernard Herrmann's famous scoring of the shower scene in Alfred Hitchcock's 1960 film Psycho (wiki). This (musical) link between Experiment IV and Psycho is interesting because there seems to be a (narrative) link between Psycho and Mother Stands For Comfort. see Mother Stands For Comfortkatebush.proboards6.com/index.cgi?board=houndsoflove&action=display&thread=1717Has KaTe got a thing for Alfred Hitchcock, Norman Bates, Hitler, psychopathology, and Nazi Uniforms 'Hot down to the floor'? ... The Night Porter (1974) ... Abuse Attachment? ... Identifying with the Aggressor? ... Compulsive Repetition?At the start of the Experiment IV video, the shopkeeper of the disguised Music For Pleasure store is counting out fresh copies of Kate's newest single, 'Experiment IV'. The Professor is called Jerry Coe, an obvious pun on Jericho, whose walls came tumbling down at the sound of trumpets... A sound that could kill someone... Sometimes they blow trumpets...'Music for Pleasure' (or MFP) was a United Kingdom record label set up in 1965. 'Music for Pleasure' is also the name of the second album by the punk rock band The Damned. It was released on November 18, 1977 and produced by Nick Mason of Pink Floyd. The Damned is also the title of a 1969 film by Luchino Visconti, on the Nazi Party's rise to power in 1930's Germany. It was music we were making here until...The instruments on display in the 'fake' Music For Pleasure store include dijeridu, strumento da porco, balalaika, mandolin, trombone, and Kate's own Celtic harp and Babooshka bass viol... The KT Bush Band have obviously been making music! And Paddy has gone mad...KB: "Paddy played the lunatic, and in every take his sounds were just as impressive as his visuals - I wish I'd put it onto tape. He literally "threw'' himself into the part, and the crew were so impressed they applauded him - a great accolade!"In the Experiment IV video (1986), Paddy is seen strapped inside a straitjacket and screaming in a padded cell. The straitjacket reappears seven years later in the Rubberband Girl video (1993). In the Rubberband Girl video, Kate is seen dancing into a straitjacket and waving around like she's about to be sectioned or committed. Straitjackets are used to restrain people who may otherwise cause harm to themselves and others. Institutional straitjackets tend to be made of canvas or duck cloth for material strength. It is possible for one person to put a willing volunteer into a straitjacket, but it generally takes at least two people to jacket a struggling person. Kate Bush - Experiment IVwww.youtube.com/watch?v=9DVvrcFi4M0Kate Bush - Rubberband Girlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=D-M-CgG6fKUDuring the Experiment IV, the sound wave causes a ghostly apparition of a mermaid with long blonde hair (Kate Bush) to be generated. The mermaid flies around the experimental subject (Del Palmer). Then, with a kiss, the mermaid transmogrifies into a nightmarish ghoul-like spectre. Mermaid Kategaffa.org/wow/k245.jpggaffa.org/wow/k103.jpgA mermaid is a legendary aquatic creature with the head and torso of human female and the tail of a fish. Much like sirens, mermaids would sometimes sing to sailors and enchant them, distracting them from their work and causing them to walk off the deck or cause shipwrecks. Other stories would have them squeeze the life out of drowning men while trying to rescue them. They are also said to take them down to their underwater kingdoms, forgetting that humans cannot breathe underwater, while others say they drown men out of spite. The Sirens of Greek mythology are sometimes portrayed in later folklore as mermaids. The Fisherman and the Syren, by Frederic Leighton, c. 1856–1858upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Leighton-The_Fisherman_and_the_Syren-c._1856-1858.jpgThe Experiment IV mermaid gets out and causes everyone around to drop down dead. The video ends with the 'music shop' vicinity cordoned off and 'PROHIBITED' like an outbreak of foot and mouth. At the end of the song a helicopter is heard (the very same helicopter sound heard in Pink Floyd's The Happiest Days of our Lives from their 1979 album, The Wall). At the end of the video, KaTe escapes disguised as a hitch hiker, and her black humour invites us to keep her little secret... Do you want to dance? ... But her wink at the end is as deadly as the mermaid's kiss. The weirdness is out! ... But that dream is your enemy!The video is vampish, ghoulish, witchy, and hints at B-movies, such as Deadly Strangers (1974) or an inverted Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978). And the public are warned to stay off...Homeground No. 25, Peter Fitzgerald-Morris writes: "'Experiment IV' originated in a story that Kate heard about a scientist in France who built a giant steam powered whistle to assess the effects of the sound. The effect was simple -- it killed him and a number of people in the surrounding area. That area had to be cordoned off and the public kept out until the device powering the whistle ran out of fuel. The next happening was a nightmare, where scientists engaged in benign research into the effects of sound had their work perverted by the military, who wanted a sound that would kill. This concept is, however, no fantasy. The 'sound cannon' has been chased by defense establishments across the world. A European version of the idea was indeed known as the 'Jericho Trumpet', after the Old Testament prophet's exploits with the walls of the celebrated city. There is current research both in the US and in the USSR on sonic waves and disturbance patterns to destroy property and kill people." gaffa.org/dreaming/tws_exiv.htmlAlso, as early as the 1880s, Nikola Tesla began working on harmonic vibrations. Tesla understood that the cosmic symphony is resonance. Nothing exists in the Universe that does not have harmonic vibration. Tesla even designed a small machine that you could attach to a building and it would bring the building down in a matter of hours... KATE BUSH and HELEN OF TROY and EXPERIMENT IVA typical Rossettian type, Helen of Troy has pale skin, full red lips, and big, expressive eyes. These eyes are perhaps the most important element of the woman's face. They signifying that the woman's focus is directed inward. Helen of Troy can be read as a portrait of self-contemplation and an exploration of interiority. Her long flowing hair is painted in rich and fiery tones and seems to glow. Dante Gabriel Rossetti, Helen of Troy (1863)www.victorianweb.org/painting/dgr/paintings/9.jpgOn the cover of Lionheart, Kate Bush is photographed startlingly close to the viewer. Her seductive beauty is extolled especially by the "erotic entrapment" of her beautiful hair, and by her big, expressive eyes. She is photographed in rich and fiery tones that seem almost to glow. IMHO, Lionheart presents us with a typical Rossettian beauty! ... BLOWUP: The Lionheart Photoshoot...gaffa.org/sensual/p_hh2.jpggaffa.org/wow/k88.jpggaffa.org/wow/k89.jpggaffa.org/wow/k91.jpggaffa.org/wow/k272.jpgKate Bush revisits Helen of Troy in the JCB cover of Experiment IV (1986).JCB's portrait of KB seems very much inspired by Sandys' Helen of Troy...Helen of Troy, Frederick Sandys.preraphaelitesisterhood.com/wp-co....len-of-troy.jpgJCB cover of Experiment IVupload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Experiment_IV.jpggaffa.org/wow/k225.jpgHELEN OF TROY and ODYSSEUS and THE TROJAN HORSEOdysseus ambushes the Trojan prophet Helenus and captures him; Helenus makes prophecies concerning the preconditions for the Greeks' conquest of Troy, notably, that the city will not fall while it harbours the Palladium. Odysseus goes into Troy disguised as a beggar, where Helen recognises him but keeps his secret; he returns safely with the Palladium. On the goddess Athena's initiative, the Greek warrior Epeus builds the wooden horse, and the Greeks place their best warriors inside it, burn their camp, and withdraw to the nearby island Tenedos. The Trojans, believing that the Greeks have departed for good, breach a section of their city wall to bring the horse inside. Cassandra and Laocoon proclaim that there is an armed force of Greeks inside, but others say it is a holy relic of Athena. The latter opinion prevails, and the Trojans celebrate their apparent victory. The god Poseidon, meanwhile, sends an ill omen of two snakes which kill Laocoon and his sons; seeing this, Aeneas and his men leave Troy in anticipation of what is to come. When night comes the Greek warriors inside the horse emerge, and open the city gates to let in the Greek army, which has sailed back from Tenedos. The Trojans are massacred, and the Greeks set fire to the city. Trojan Horses are notorious today for their use in the installation of backdoor programs.
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Post by Adena on May 18, 2008 10:43:30 GMT
Thanks for the insight, Tannis! It's great to see all of these hidden connections.
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Post by othon on Jul 18, 2008 6:05:08 GMT
One of my favorite songs! Very powerful and true, i'm glad it's standing alone away from any album actually, it has its own little space in my head. And i'm sure this song will be very important to many people in the future.
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