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Post by Lori on Jul 31, 2003 23:24:11 GMT
I look at you and see My life that might have been Your face just ghostly in the smoke They're setting fire to the cornfields As you're taking me home The smell of burning fields Will now mean you and here
This is where I want to be This is what I need This is where I want to be This is what I need This is where I want to be But I know that this will never be mine
Ooh, the thrill and the hurting The thrill and the hurting I know that this will never be mine
I want you as the dream Not the reality That clumsy goodbye-kiss could fool me But I'm looking back over my shoulder At you, happy without me
This is where I want to be This is what I need This is where I want to be This is what I need This is where I want to be But I know that this will never be mine
Ooh, the thrill and the hurting Will never be mine The thrill and the hurting It will never be mine It can never be The thrill and the hurting Will never be mine
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Post by strabley on Feb 17, 2004 21:40:42 GMT
The very first time I heard this, and to this day, I beleived this song to be about/from the perspective of Tchaikovsky. More specifically, I beleive this song was very likely inspired by the Ken Russell film The Music Lovers. (not that Kate would ever write a song based on one of Ken Russell's composer films , ie, Delius I'd love to see her do a song about Litzomania! ) I only saw The Music Lovers for the first time about a year ago and it totally compounded my belief that I was on to something with this Tchaikovsky theory. I was working on a screenplay about Tchaikovsky, a project I have since abandoned some 15 or so years ago. (dicouraged by Ken Russell and lost some degree of interest in the subject matter) But anyway... Peter Tchaikovsky had a wealthy patron, an older woman who's name totally eludes me at the moment (sorry). She would give him as much money as he needed to survive and spend time on his music, with one condition: they were to never actually meet. He lived right around the block from her and every day take a walk past her house and she would nod at him from behind her bedroom window, but that and letters were the only communication with her he was allowed. He was struggling to fight his taboo homosexuality. She had her reasons, too, but had made a decision to not ever get close to another man. Actually, it was the most perfect relationship Tchaikovsky ever had with a woman other than his dead mother. Then one day after he was famous, they decided to actually meet. He recalled that they were burning down the wheat fields at the time. (a big deal was made about this in Russell's film) I know in Kate's song it's corn fields, but one thing I do distinctly recall in my research is that Tchaikovsky remembered the burning of the wheat fields. Anyway, their meeting was disasterous. It broke the distant emotional bond they had. And after that meeting, they never talked to each other again. You think I'm on to something here?
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Post by strabley on Feb 17, 2004 22:05:14 GMT
What was here to be deleted? Also NEO, may I suggest that you can delete the whole message rather than modifying it to say 'delete'? Just a suggestion I wondered the same thing. What a tease. I would have liked to have heard Doug's take on this song. Just because I mentioned a screenplay I was working on all the banner ads are about buying scripts? Interesting...or is it a coincedence?
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Post by Lori on Feb 17, 2004 22:19:31 GMT
Just because I mentioned a screenplay I was working on all the banner ads are about buying scripts? Interesting...or is it a coincedence? Hmmm... I wonder
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Post by Xanadu on Feb 17, 2004 23:43:18 GMT
This is absolutely wonderful Sheila. I had never considered that before, although I was vaguely familiar with the story you mention above. This is pretty uncanny, but I just recorded The Music Lovers a few weeks ago, and haven't had the chance to watch it yet. Now I have a reason to get to it. I'd like to add to (and agree with) your thoughts here. This is one facet of what I love to discuss. One part being the references made in the songs (or potential references, who knows ) just like you have above. Then take it to another level, to discuss how we have interpretted it to fit into our lives. How we have identified with a song or it has uplifted us. You can really go wrong. My main feelings about it were in regard to the resignations about a relationship. "I want you as the dream, not the reality" says much about this. I'll watch the film ASAP and report back, Sheila.
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Post by Adey on Feb 18, 2004 1:21:57 GMT
Sheila, this is very intruiging! I have seen the film (Glenda Jackson right?). Give me a chance to check the song out carefully and I'll respond if I can see the connection. Food for thought...
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Post by Adey on Feb 18, 2004 1:30:56 GMT
Just because I mentioned a screenplay I was working on all the banner ads are about buying scripts? Interesting...or is it a coincedence? Clever isn't it? I was talking to a computer project engineer about it. Apparently its themed advertising. It picks up key words from the thread/post and matches them to adverts already in its database. I noticed it when I posted some stuff about cloudbusting. When I closed the post, the ad banners were referring to books by Reich and Orgone/Natural energy. It quite spooked me until I guessed what was going on!
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 18, 2004 14:21:50 GMT
What was here to be deleted? Also NEO, may I suggest that you can delete the whole message rather than modifying it to say 'delete'? Just a suggestion Where's the drama in that?
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Post by Sto on Feb 18, 2004 15:54:57 GMT
I don't have much to add as I don't know the film and didn't know the story before now, but I just want to thank Sheila for the interpretation! A new slant on a song written 15 years ago is really exciting, and especially a slant that I could never have possibly come up with!
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Post by Adey on Feb 28, 2004 3:40:48 GMT
Sheila, this is very intruiging! I have seen the film (Glenda Jackson right?). Give me a chance to check the song out carefully and I'll respond if I can see the connection. Food for thought... As promised, I've reviewed both the song and the film (blockbusters video 2nd hand £2.99) I think you are on to something here. It certainly all fits, though Kate's lovely song is light on details. She has certainly used films before as the basis and inspiration for some of her material. It would help if the song had been just a little more specific. There's certainly nothing to contradict your theory. Interesting that you were working on a screenplay about the very subject. There are some very clever people here...
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Post by Adey on Apr 6, 2004 2:02:23 GMT
Something else I wanted to say about this song. The chorus is absolutely fabulous, easily one of her best. It has a hook big enough to land Jaws, and it just soars away from the understated verse. Unusual on this record, which is generally short of truly memorable hooks. I always think of it as KB's ambient album, with just a few honourable exceptions.
Not an important point, but it was the last vinyl album I ever bought - switched to CDs after this.
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mizzshy
Reaching Out
"Oh darling, Make it go, Make it go away..."
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Post by mizzshy on Apr 21, 2006 21:11:22 GMT
I get loads of imagery from this song... I see a lot of pictures in my mind when I hear Kate's songs...
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Post by tannis on Nov 26, 2007 18:17:35 GMT
I: You've said The Sensual World is your "most female" album to date. What do you mean? KB: The powerful sound in contemporary music come from males, not females. For instance, in Hounds Of Love [1985] the production sounds were very powerful. Like the big drum sound which I put my little ideas and voice on top of. With my new album I didn't feel the need to look to male music for that kind of power. I subconsciously wanted to make the album softer and not keep relating to this dominant male energy. Network , "The Sensual Woman" (1990)gaffa.org/reaching/i90_net.html----- IMHO... Perhaps this song deals with the pain of a woman's infertility (or a miscarriage, or an abortion, or her fears regarding childbirth); about her being unable to conceive the "life that might have been" (It can/must never be); and this is very difficult for her and the relationship to handle... The "thrill and the hurting" of giving birth will never be hers... It can never be... And this reality/obstacle clashes with the dream/ideal, making the relationship too difficult for her to bare... Field burning is used to clear land of existing crop residue and to kill weeds and weed seeds in preparation for the next crop. This 'destruction' is part of the creative process. So the scene poignantly emphasises her barrenness (or aborted pregnancy, etc). Her frustration, longing, love and anger make her feel that he is happy, better off, without her... A sad but beautiful song... ----- DOUG: Your song "Breathing" seems to be written from the point of view of a fetus about to be born into a post-holocaust world. One might think from this and from your being a vegetarian, that you would be opposed to abortion. What are you feelings on the morality and legality of abortion? KATE: I think that is a very difficult subject and something that's far too easy to generalize about. But I think that life is something that should be respected and honored even in a few hours of its conception. DOUG: Do you think that abortion should be illegal? KATE: I don't feel that I want to comment on that. Love-Hounds: |>oug's famous Kate Interview, 1985gaffa.org/dreaming/doug_int.htmlKate Bush - Love And Angerwww.youtube.com/watch?v=RWNVlZ74I3sKate Bush - The Fogwww.youtube.com/watch?v=_N2OZK1ufXMKate Bush - Reaching Outwww.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZDRbvU-BUKate Bush - Deeper Understandingwww.youtube.com/watch?v=q2HsN9WLQhIMoonlight - Kanda/Allen AMVwww.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uix3qHL-8Music: Kate Bush -- Never be mine Kate Bush-This Woman's Workwww.youtube.com/watch?v=xw1fqgg42vo
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Post by Adey on Nov 27, 2007 2:41:21 GMT
That's very interesting tannis - and an original interpretation that no-one here has picked up on.
I think it's contradicted by the verse lines "I want you as the dream, not the reality.." which doesn't suggest a physical yearning - more a desire for fantasy.. But as ever, this is YOUR interpretation and it's just great as far as I'm concerned.
You've crashed in to the Forum with some energy and style. 2 thumbs up to you sir/madam..
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Post by tannis on Aug 20, 2009 15:27:29 GMT
Joseph Campbell: Love Your Fate
This is where I want to be. This is what I need. This is where I want to be. This is what I need. This is where I want to be, But I know that this will never be mine...
"Nietzsche was the one who did the job for me. At a certain moment in his life, the idea came to him of what he called "the love of your fate." Whatever your fate is, whatever the hell happens, you say, "This is what I need." It may look like a wreck, but go at it as though it were an opportunity, a challenge. If you bring love to that moment—not discouragement—you will find the strength is there. Any disaster that you can survive is an improvement in your character, your stature, and your life. What a privilege! This is when the spontaneity of your own nature will have a chance to flow. Then, when looking back at your life, you will see that the moments which seemed to be great failures followed by wreckage were the incidents that shaped the life you have now. You'll see that this is really true. Nothing can happen to you that is not positive. Even though it looks and feels at the moment like a negative crisis, it is not. The crisis throws you back, and when you are required to exhibit strength, it comes." ~ Joseph Campbell from A Joseph Campbell Companion
And whatever happens What really matters? It's all we've got Isn't that enough?
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