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Post by Lori on Jul 31, 2003 23:20:13 GMT
Mmh, yes
Then I'd taken the kiss of seedcake back from his mouth Going deep South, go down, mmh, yes Took six big wheels and rolled our bodies Off of Howth Head and into the flesh, mmh, yes
He said I was a flower of the mountain, yes But now I've powers o'er a woman's body, yes
Stepping out of the page into the sensual world Stepping out...
To where the water and the earth caress And the down of a peach says mmh, yes Do I look for those millionaires Like a Machiavellian girl would When I could wear a sunset? mmh, yes
And how we'd wished to live in the sensual world You don't need words - just one kiss, then another
Stepping out of the page into the sensual world Stepping out, off the page, into the sensual world
And then our arrows of desire rewrite the speech, mmh, yes And then he whispered would I, mmh, yes Be safe, mmh, yes, from mountain flowers? And at first with the charm around him, mmh, yes He loosened it so if it slipped between my breasts He'd rescue it, mmh, yes And his spark took life in my hand and, mmh, yes I said, mmh, yes But not yet, mmh, yes Mmh, yes
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Post by Neo Stella on Aug 16, 2003 13:03:22 GMT
"Yes, but not yet" "I know that this will never be mine" "A piece of rope holding us together" "Is this love big enough to let go of me?" "Shooting into the night" "Oooh its hard on the man" "We thought that it was all over, but it wasn't" "Reaching out for the star"
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Post by Xanadu on Feb 21, 2004 21:39:38 GMT
This would probably require a course in literature to explain all the metaphors and references in this song. I'm trying to work on a concise explanation of Kate, Molly and Penelope and the sexual discovery illustrated in each's personal chaper/character. But for now, the erotic KB thread made me think of posting this to whet your appetite for juicier things to come... A few important excerpts from "Ulysses" "... they might as well try to stop the sun from rising tomorrow the sun shines for you he said the day we were lying among the rhododendrons on Howth Head on in the grey tweed suit and his straw hat the day I got him to propose to me yes first I gave him the bit of seedcake out of my mouth and it was leapyear like now yes 16 years ago my God after that long kiss I near lost my breath yes he said I was a flower of the mountain yes so we are flowers all a womans body yes that was one true thing he said in his life and the sun shines for you today yes that was why I liked him because I saw he understood or felt what a woman is and I knew I could always get round him and I gave him all the pleasure I could leading him on till he asked me to say yes... yes and all the queer little streets and the pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gibraltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will yes.I believe the "yes" serves as the punctuation as a mental sexual arrousal while she reminisces about her encounters. Notice how they come faster and more pronounced until the end? But Kate says, mmm... not yet... "There's a double meaning in that..." More later.
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 21, 2004 22:51:50 GMT
Yes... Notice how they come faster and more pronounced until the end? But Kate says, mmm... not yet... "There's a double meaning in that..." Synchronize rhythm now?I look foward to it! This was a provocative and informative post. I knew of the Joyce connection, but had never thought to pull them together as you've done here. Great job! Thank you.
Before long, this will be a better resource than "Gaffaweb" if we continue with these kind of posts on the " Deeper Understanding" board.
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Post by Adey on Feb 22, 2004 1:29:30 GMT
This would probably require a course in literature to explain all the metaphors and references in this song. I'm trying to work on a concise explanation of Kate, Molly and Penelope and the sexual discovery illustrated in each's personal chaper/character. But for now, the erotic KB thread made me think of posting this to whet your appetite for juicier things to come... A few important excerpts from "Ulysses" Thanks for this Xan it's so informative. As I said in an earlier post, I really must read this. Doubly so, after reading your little taster.
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Post by strabley on Feb 23, 2004 18:16:00 GMT
I put this together for Watching Storms years ago (the original Joyce Sensual World bit I mean) and have been looking for it for a couple months now but I can't find that issue! No matter, now Zan's done it and I don't have to worry anymore. Thanks Zan! Now I can be lazy again. It was mentioned on another thread, I think by Adey, that this is her most sexual song. I couldn't disagree more, actually. Seems to me to be about sex being a negative distraction, so she steps away from it to feel the weather and elements. Hey wait, doesn't she do that in Sat in Your Lap too?
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Post by Sven Golly on Feb 24, 2004 1:23:24 GMT
It was mentioned on another thread, I think by Adey, that this is her most sexual song. I couldn't disagree more, actually. Seems to me to be about sex being a negative distraction, so she steps away from it to feel the weather and elements. She says as much in the interview segment of the video, Sheila. However, "stepping off the page, into the sensual world" indicates, to me anyway, doing more than giving lip service. There is for sure some sexual imagery going on here; but, the palimpsest meanings can range from the physically existential to the philosophically metaphysical.
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Post by CopyOfCpt (just say Cor) on Jul 13, 2005 6:28:42 GMT
In another interview she more or less told that the sensual in the title is more about the actual senses (touch, scent, taste, etc.) than the sexual sensual.
On the other hand, the senses play a huge part in the enjoyment of sex... this latter point is my view, this was not part of that interview
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Post by ~Passion~ on Aug 15, 2005 18:34:42 GMT
Then I'd taken the kiss of seedcake back from his mouth I always get the image in my head where she's getting married and she's receiving cake from her groom. Perhaps it's a deeper meaning. The Sensual World sounds so sexual to me with all the Mid~Eastern horns playing. Like a non-existant realm of a honeymoon set in India. Going deep South, go down, mmh, yes, Oooh, I can't get enough of that line! lol Either she's talking about a southern gal like me, or she's .... eh hem... uh... anyway....
To where the water and the earth caress And the down of a peach says mmh, yes, [/b] Could she ever get more erotic? *le sigh* I love this song. = )
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Post by CopyOfCpt (just say Cor) on Aug 15, 2005 18:57:45 GMT
To where the water and the earth caress And the down of a peach says mmh, yes, [/color][/b] Could she ever get more erotic? *le sigh* I love this song. = ) [/quote] Nice Pepe le Pew reference!
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 15, 2005 20:01:12 GMT
Then I'd taken the kiss of seedcake back from his mouth I always get the image in my head where she's getting married and she's receiving cake from her groom. Perhaps it's a deeper meaning. It has always meant to me that this is a very personal exchange between two lover's - or as Kate would sell it - a life giving relationship with our planet. However, I interpret seed cake the same as I do 'peach' if you know what I mean i.e. the life bearing source of origin. It uses several sexual metaphors to suggest, IMO, how we should enjoy and treasure our environment. However the musical source is a traditional Macedonian dance song as heard here by Nevestinko Oro click on this mp3 linkeh hem is more correct. [/color][/b] Could she ever get more erotic? *le sigh* I love this song. = ) [/quote] His spark took life in my hand... Mmm yes, but not yet... then the quivering orgasm. No this is all very clear. Whatever the deeper meaning happens to be - I prefer the primal expression and beauty of the obvious.
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Post by stev0 on Aug 16, 2005 3:33:49 GMT
As usual, the reality is much simpler (did I ever mention I'm also a fan of Occam's razor?) Kate wanted to set the above-mentioned passage of Ulysses to music, the estate of James Joyce refused, so Kate paraphrased. Is anyone here a Firesign Theatre fan?
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 16, 2005 11:39:04 GMT
As usual, the reality is much simpler (did I ever mention I'm also a fan of Occam's razor?) Kate wanted to set the above-mentioned passage of Ulysses to music, the estate of James Joyce refused, so Kate paraphrased. Seeking simplicity in complex themes is false economy. This ground has been covered (by Zan specifically) here. The above-cited passage you decided to correct us on has meaning outside of and in addition to the inspiration. Using Occam's razor on a piece of ambiguous art is fruitless unless you are the original artist.
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Post by stev0 on Aug 16, 2005 15:08:15 GMT
The beauty of art is that one can read into it anything one wants. I see Moby Dick just as a book about a guy chasing a whale. Of course, that attitude would put thousands of English Literature professors out of work, so no one dares say anything like that.
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Post by Sven Golly on Aug 16, 2005 16:37:30 GMT
The beauty of art is that one can read into it anything one wants. I see Moby Dick just as a book about a guy chasing a whale. Of course, that attitude would put thousands of English Literature professors out of work, so no one dares say anything like that. I guess 'cos it sounds shallow and dismissive. It is of course true that one can read whatever is desired into what a piece of art means on a personal or even a more influential level. But you failed to qualify your earlier statement of the 'simple reality' of the matter as opinion. 'May be an oversight on your part. I do it myself. But it comes off less offensively as a personal take or a sharing of information, than what can sound condescending and self-righteously corrective. There was however truth in your reply. You just did not seem to leave room for other opinion - in fact calling all but your own observation effectively wrong.
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