Post by tannis on Sept 24, 2009 3:27:24 GMT
Wuthering Heights Revisited
And if I only could,
I'd make a deal with God,
And I'd get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
With no problems...
KT: I thought a deal with the devil, you know. And I thought, "well, no, why not a deal with God!" You know, because in a way it's so much more powerful the whole idea of asking God to make a deal with you. You see, for me it is still called "Deal With God", that was it's title.
Radio 1, Classic Albums interview: Hounds Of Love (1985; aired January 26, 1992)
www.gaffaweb.org/reaching/ir85_r1.html
KaTe claims to have got the idea of a deal with God from the 'original' idea of a deal with the devil. However, if we consider "Wuthering Heights", "Running Up That Hill" and "Jig Of Life", then maybe KaTe got the idea of a deal with God from Kübler-Ross. After all, KaTe did at one point contemplate becoming a psychiatrist. Of course, essentially, Kübler-Ross is addressing the circle of life - relationships, new beginnings, endings, etc. As Leonard Cohen sings, "It begins with your family, but soon it comes 'round to your soul." So, KaTe's HOL/TNW can be seen as a born again, rebirthing experience.
Maybe Kate has themed the songs around Kübler-Ross' Five Stages of Grief...
Denial - "And Dream of Sheep"
Anger - "Waking the Witch"
Bargaining - "Jig of Life"
Depression - "Watching You Without Me"
Acceptance - "Hello Earth"
"The Morning Fog" - Our life-affirming lesson from that tragedy!
The bargaining ("Yes, me, but...") stage described by Dr. Kubler-Ross is characterized by the patient's trying to make a deal with God or fate, promising some act in exchange for more time.
~ Dealing with Death and Dying, Sheila Lelly Blake (1976, p.23)
Cathy: "I wish I were a girl again, half savage and hardy, and free; and laughing at injuries, not maddening under them!"
Mr. Earnshaw (introducing Heathcliff): "See here, wife! I was never so beaten with anything in my life: but you must e’en take it as a gift of God; though it’s as dark almost as if it came from the devil."
One final thought... Is RUTH "Wuthering Heights Revisited"? ... A much darker version of her classic original? ... Maybe RUTH is Cathy's ruthless, dual nature teasing Heathcliff! ... It has the perverse cruelty, the tormented passion, the defiant obsession, the torturous disregard, and the eternal love for the Moors...
'It doesn't hurt me' because life without Heathcliff and the Moors is no life! ... The defiant 'won't be unhappy' ... The wicked 'tearing you asunder' ... The eternal longing to 'be running up that hill' ...
Her shocking deal even disturbs the dead, unleashing ghostly, purgatorial voices! ... Yes, Hate and Love tore them both asunder... And if she only could, Cathy would have made such a deal for her beloved moors! ... And Heathcliff would have obliged her! ... But, as Nelly remarked: "The greatest punishment we could invent for her, was to keep her separate from him" ... So 'with no problems'? Even God couldn't manage that!
Cathy: 'I wish I could hold you,' she continued, bitterly, 'till we were both dead! I shouldn't care what you suffered. I care nothing for your sufferings. Why shouldn't you suffer? I do!'
Heathcliff: ''WHY did you despise me? WHY did you betray your own heart, Cathy? ...nothing that God or Satan could inflict would have parted us, YOU, of your own will, did it. I have not broken your heart - YOU have broken it; and in breaking it, you have broken mine!'
The "Come on, Baby..." could be Heathcliff! ... Maybe these are his words as he embraces the dying Cathy, desperate to grant her wish... Such is the power of deluded love! ...
Unfulfilled, her 'If I only could' continues to torment Heathcliff... amidst the cries of her own tormented spirit...
Cathy: 'I am Heathcliff! ... So don't talk of our separation again: it is impracticable...'
Heathcliff: 'Be with me always—take any form—drive me mad! ... I cannot live without my life! I cannot live without my soul!'
Revenge is a major theme of Brontë's Wuthering Heights. Early in the novel Heathcliff is described as plotting revenge, and the second half of the novel is dominated by Heathcliff's revenge against Hindley and his descendants for his mistreatment of him and against Edgar and his descendants for Catherine's death. Heathcliff's revenge affects everyone in the novel, and he seems to think that if he can revenge Catherine's death, he can be with her. He has been looking for her since her death, as he has been sensing her near him. However, it is only at the end of the novel, when he has given up his plans for revenge, that he is able to see Catherine and that he is reunited with her.
A deal with God: "Let me live..."
"Let me live!"
She said.
"C'mon and let me live, girl!"
She said,
"C'mon and let me live, girl!"
("C'mon and let me live!")
One of the tactics of those in the withdrawal-confusion phase of crisis and change is the tendency to bargain. Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross makes much of this in her book On Death and Dying. . .
She identifies the phases of crisis as being: Shock — the impact phase we've been talking about. Then follows Denial — the rejection of the whole matter in somewhat irrational terms. Denial is followed by Anger — those hostile feelings we have talked about just previously. The[n] comes Bargaining. It has been said that there are no atheists in the fox-holes in wartime. They are too busy bargaining with God for their lives and safety. We have also found that people faced with terminal illness often bargain for their continued existence. They may try to make a deal with God: "Let me live for just so many days and I'll make it up to you in service and clean living," they may say.
~ How to Cope, Lloyd Ahlem (1978, p.59)
And if I only could,
I'd make a deal with God,
And I'd get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
With no problems...
KT: I thought a deal with the devil, you know. And I thought, "well, no, why not a deal with God!" You know, because in a way it's so much more powerful the whole idea of asking God to make a deal with you. You see, for me it is still called "Deal With God", that was it's title.
Radio 1, Classic Albums interview: Hounds Of Love (1985; aired January 26, 1992)
www.gaffaweb.org/reaching/ir85_r1.html
KaTe claims to have got the idea of a deal with God from the 'original' idea of a deal with the devil. However, if we consider "Wuthering Heights", "Running Up That Hill" and "Jig Of Life", then maybe KaTe got the idea of a deal with God from Kübler-Ross. After all, KaTe did at one point contemplate becoming a psychiatrist. Of course, essentially, Kübler-Ross is addressing the circle of life - relationships, new beginnings, endings, etc. As Leonard Cohen sings, "It begins with your family, but soon it comes 'round to your soul." So, KaTe's HOL/TNW can be seen as a born again, rebirthing experience.
Maybe the protagonist of The Ninth Wave drowns with ‘Hello, Earth’…
Maybe Kate has themed the songs around Kübler-Ross' Five Stages of Grief...
Denial - "And Dream of Sheep"
Anger - "Waking the Witch"
Bargaining - "Jig of Life"
Depression - "Watching You Without Me"
Acceptance - "Hello Earth"
"The Morning Fog" - Our life-affirming lesson from that tragedy!
The bargaining ("Yes, me, but...") stage described by Dr. Kubler-Ross is characterized by the patient's trying to make a deal with God or fate, promising some act in exchange for more time.
~ Dealing with Death and Dying, Sheila Lelly Blake (1976, p.23)
RUNNING UP THAT HILL... and WUTHERING HEIGHTS...
Cathy: "I wish I were a girl again, half savage and hardy, and free; and laughing at injuries, not maddening under them!"
Mr. Earnshaw (introducing Heathcliff): "See here, wife! I was never so beaten with anything in my life: but you must e’en take it as a gift of God; though it’s as dark almost as if it came from the devil."
One final thought... Is RUTH "Wuthering Heights Revisited"? ... A much darker version of her classic original? ... Maybe RUTH is Cathy's ruthless, dual nature teasing Heathcliff! ... It has the perverse cruelty, the tormented passion, the defiant obsession, the torturous disregard, and the eternal love for the Moors...
'It doesn't hurt me' because life without Heathcliff and the Moors is no life! ... The defiant 'won't be unhappy' ... The wicked 'tearing you asunder' ... The eternal longing to 'be running up that hill' ...
Her shocking deal even disturbs the dead, unleashing ghostly, purgatorial voices! ... Yes, Hate and Love tore them both asunder... And if she only could, Cathy would have made such a deal for her beloved moors! ... And Heathcliff would have obliged her! ... But, as Nelly remarked: "The greatest punishment we could invent for her, was to keep her separate from him" ... So 'with no problems'? Even God couldn't manage that!
Cathy: 'I wish I could hold you,' she continued, bitterly, 'till we were both dead! I shouldn't care what you suffered. I care nothing for your sufferings. Why shouldn't you suffer? I do!'
Heathcliff: ''WHY did you despise me? WHY did you betray your own heart, Cathy? ...nothing that God or Satan could inflict would have parted us, YOU, of your own will, did it. I have not broken your heart - YOU have broken it; and in breaking it, you have broken mine!'
The "Come on, Baby..." could be Heathcliff! ... Maybe these are his words as he embraces the dying Cathy, desperate to grant her wish... Such is the power of deluded love! ...
Unfulfilled, her 'If I only could' continues to torment Heathcliff... amidst the cries of her own tormented spirit...
Cathy: 'I am Heathcliff! ... So don't talk of our separation again: it is impracticable...'
Heathcliff: 'Be with me always—take any form—drive me mad! ... I cannot live without my life! I cannot live without my soul!'
Revenge is a major theme of Brontë's Wuthering Heights. Early in the novel Heathcliff is described as plotting revenge, and the second half of the novel is dominated by Heathcliff's revenge against Hindley and his descendants for his mistreatment of him and against Edgar and his descendants for Catherine's death. Heathcliff's revenge affects everyone in the novel, and he seems to think that if he can revenge Catherine's death, he can be with her. He has been looking for her since her death, as he has been sensing her near him. However, it is only at the end of the novel, when he has given up his plans for revenge, that he is able to see Catherine and that he is reunited with her.
A deal with God: "Let me live..."
"Let me live!"
She said.
"C'mon and let me live, girl!"
She said,
"C'mon and let me live, girl!"
("C'mon and let me live!")
One of the tactics of those in the withdrawal-confusion phase of crisis and change is the tendency to bargain. Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross makes much of this in her book On Death and Dying. . .
She identifies the phases of crisis as being: Shock — the impact phase we've been talking about. Then follows Denial — the rejection of the whole matter in somewhat irrational terms. Denial is followed by Anger — those hostile feelings we have talked about just previously. The[n] comes Bargaining. It has been said that there are no atheists in the fox-holes in wartime. They are too busy bargaining with God for their lives and safety. We have also found that people faced with terminal illness often bargain for their continued existence. They may try to make a deal with God: "Let me live for just so many days and I'll make it up to you in service and clean living," they may say.
~ How to Cope, Lloyd Ahlem (1978, p.59)