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Post by tannis on Feb 3, 2008 14:03:37 GMT
I'm not sure if I think of "We let the weirdness in..." as the problem- I think it's almost the problem and the solution at once. Yes, that's what I meant by psychological breakthrough, with X moving forward. 'Babbling' means confusion, idle chatter, impulsive disclosure, regression, etc. People babble and wash things up when drunk. Maybe X needed substances to feel comfortable or creative, but these in turn created more problems (like Amy Winehouse?). Maybe ego-identity is the problem, feeling trapped and encaged within. Or maybe, LIO treats acute psychoses, trauma and post-trauma. Whatever, the protagonist becomes closed and incredibly guarded. The chorus suggests fear and reassurance; but the 'Leave it open!' could be an HERE'S JOHNNY intruder... Maybe this has gotten out of hand, as in sorcery, and now she is twisting into a an other, weirder self? ... LIO: at 2.17, we start hearing sounds similar to the 'Hee-haw!' of GOoMH, suggesting transformations are already taking place... "What you letting in? Tell me what you're letting in!" ... The mystical, the creative, the revelatory? ...or "the weirdness"? ... With the therapy session over, Side One ends... On GOoMH: Hestia represents the hearth, the naval that ties home to earth. Hermes personifies encounters with others in the social world. In the house, his place is at the door, protecting the threshold, repelling thieves because he himself is The Thief. ('The Hermes' were small statues of the god Hermes with an erect phallus that stood outside nearly every building in Athens as a kind of good-luck charm.) GOoMH suggests theft, violation, and a persistent intruder. 'Hestia' is without her companion, and a bad thief threatens to bore through the walls... Go to the post you want to quote from and press QUOTE top right, & you will get the THREAD CODE and html codes. Otherwise, just copy & paste the bit you want to quote, and surround it with (quote)(color=Purple)...(/color)(/quote) - but using [square] brackets! |
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Feb 3, 2008 17:59:26 GMT
Yes, that's what I meant by psychological breakthrough, with X moving forward. 'Babbling' means confusion, idle chatter, impulsive disclosure, regression, etc. People babble and wash things up when drunk. Maybe X needed substances to feel comfortable or creative, but these in turn created more problems (like Amy Winehouse?). Maybe ego-identity is the problem, feeling trapped and encaged within. Or maybe, LIO treats acute psychoses, trauma and post-trauma. Whatever, the protagonist becomes closed and incredibly guarded. The chorus suggests fear and reassurance; but the 'Leave it open!' could be an HERE'S JOHNNY intruder... All right, I wasn't quite sure about this when you said that the song identifies the cause of the problem as "We let the weirdness in." All of the problems you enumerated could be X's, I suppose, though I must admit I really don't even know that much about psychology, so I think of X's troubles in much more unscientific ways. There's always room for other possibilities in The Dreaming, though.  Maybe this has gotten out of hand, as in sorcery, and now she is twisting into a an other, weirder self? ... "What you letting in? Tell me what you're letting in!" ... The mystical, the creative, the revelatory? ...or "the weirdness"? ... With the therapy session over, Side One ends... Yes, this seems to have happened. I think one of X's problems is her unclear perception of where the the mystical, the creative, and the revelatory end and the purely chaotic "weirdness" begins. She doesn't know when her dreams become unhealthy. Go to the post you want to quote from and press QUOTE top right, & you will get the THREAD CODE and html codes. Otherwise, just copy & paste the bit you want to quote, and surround it with (quote)(color=Purple)...(/color)(/quote) - but using [square] brackets! Thank you!  |
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Post by tannis on Apr 24, 2008 22:10:38 GMT
THE DREAMING - Love and Anger
Interviewer: "But, you know, in one or two of the American reviews of The Dreaming, your music has been described as "schizophrenic", and to tell you the truth, I feel I can well understand why people have said that. You know I'm a historian concerned with Freud and psychoanalysis. And it seems to me that, in a manner of speaking, your music represents a virtual compendium of psychopathology; I mean to say, it is alternatively hysterical, melancholic, psychotic, paranoid, obsessional, and so on. And yet, in your case, such traits obviously proceed out of strength, not out of weakness, they represent roles which you're assuming, or states which you're simulating, for the sake of a given song." Kate Bush: "Yes! Well, I think that's fabulous that you should say so. You see, while I'm maybe not scientifically interested like you, I am absolutely fascinated by the states that people throw and put on. And, you know, I think that that is the most fascinating thing there is to write about really, the way that people just distort things and the things they think and the things they do. And it's really fun for me if I can find an area of the personality that is slightly exaggerated or distorted and, if I feel I can identify with it enough, then try to cast a person as perfectly as I can in terms of that particular character trait, especially if I don't really show those kinds of things myself. Take anger for instance: it's really fun to write from the point of view of someone who's really angry, like in Get Out of My House on the last album. Because I very rarely show anger, although obviously I do sometimes feel it."gaffa.org/reaching/i85_swa.htmlCarnival Of Souls (1962) - Part 6 of 11www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8yFU1rFn8"That's all there is. That's the whole story..."
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Apr 25, 2008 2:21:29 GMT
Very interesting quotes. The Dreaming does sometimes seem to me like a of a sort of magnifying glass put up to intense emotions, a real amplification and cathartic exaggeration of especially negative emotions. I was playing it today (loud, of course, as fate intended.  ) and am starting to think I have barely scratched the surface by what I've described so far of X's adventures. What a complex and magnificent album!  |
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Post by tannis on Apr 25, 2008 2:44:39 GMT
The quotes are taken from a group interview conducted by Peter Swales for Musician magazine. Peter Swales is a friend of the Bush family, and he is the author of several papers on aspects of psycho-analysis. The Dreaming is a complex and magnificent album - "a virtual compendium of psychopathology"! ;D KB: "I look back at that record and it seems mad," she says now. "I heard it about three years ago and couldn't believe it. There's a lot of anger in it. There's a lot of 'I'm an artist, right!'" "Booze, Fags, Blokes And Me" (1993)gaffa.org/reaching/i93_q.html----- "Harry Houdini escaped from handcuffs, leg irons, straightjackets, prison cells, packing crates, a giant paper bag (without tearing the paper), an iron boiler, milk cans, coffins, and the famous Water Torture Cell. In most of these escapes, later examination showed no sign of how Houdini accomplished his release."
The Dreaming is one of the greatest albums ever, and its cover is one of the greatest album covers ever! The iconic cover shows Bess (played by KB) passing HH (played by ??Gordon Farrell??) the gold key. KATE BUSH and THE HUGUENOT
Do you think The Huguenot could have been the inspiration for the cover to THE DREAMING? ... On The Dreaming cover KaTe is attempting to pass the life-saving key to 'Mr Houdini'; and in A Huguenot, the girl is attempting to tie the life-saving Roman Catholic badge around her lover's arm. Both couples "embrace" their possible doom under a wall of ivy. The ivy, a symbol of immortality, provides hope of salvation and deliverance.JCB: "I thought that photographing Mr. and Mrs. Houdini on the banks of the Hudson River in a freezing wind had been a difficult assignment: the shot had required a long, long exposure and the wind was from the wrong direction, and when it was right, it kept shaking the tripod. However, the sedate, elegant brief for the cover of KBV had an element to it that all photographers are told to avoid working with at all cost: animals. Luckily, the dogs we wanted to use are friends of ours, so there was a good chance that they might put up with posing, keeping quiet and leaving each other alone. But only a chance..." gaffa.org/garden/jcb3.htmlCompare and Contrast:
A Huguenot, Millais, 1852upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Huguenot.jpgThe Dreaming, Kate Bush, 1982 (Photography, JCB)gaffa.org/wow/k254.jpgsee more:
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Post by Adena on Jul 15, 2008 12:29:32 GMT
I think I have discovered the best way to play The Dreaming - in a car at 11 at night with everyone silent and almost no light. I am acquainted with the real charm of Kate at last... |
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 15, 2008 15:50:07 GMT
Oh, isn't The Dreaming great in the car? Especially at night, especially with a full moon, on very loud... ;D Except I can't drive yet, and it always scares my mother, or whoever else is driving. |
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Post by Barry SR Gowing on Jul 15, 2008 15:52:12 GMT
Oh, isn't The Dreaming great in the car? Especially at night, especially with a full moon, on very loud... ;D Except I can't drive yet, and it always scares my mother, or whoever else is driving. It would scare me, and I'm a Kate fan --Paul-- |
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Post by Sven Golly on Jul 15, 2008 17:55:14 GMT
Oh, isn't The Dreaming great in the car? Especially at night, especially with a full moon, on very loud... ; It would scare me, and I'm a Kate fan --Paul-- It would scare me in a car It would scare me in a bar It would scare me day or night It would scare me dark or light. ...Cat. In a Hat |
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Jul 15, 2008 18:22:40 GMT
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Post by Adena on Jul 16, 2008 3:31:47 GMT
I can't drive yet either - thank Ayinsa for driving us all around. It was fun, though. I think I even scared the little ones!
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Post by tannis on Jul 16, 2008 22:12:48 GMT
Yes, much of KaTe's work reflects the night: midnight driving and moonlit diving; hammer horror, ghosts, and séances; bats, after dark parties, and nocturnal emissions... ;D
There is something of the night about all her albums. Shadows, long and low, laugh, love, and stand in the belltower. The night stirs poetry, imagination; spirit and passion; fear, apprehension, and The Dreaming. And her two conceptual masterpieces song-cycle beneath the stars...KaTe: "I'm very much a nocturnal creature..."The candle burning over your shoulder is throwing Shadows... Soon it will be the phase of the moon When people tune in... Over the lights, under the moon... I hear him, before I go to sleep And focus on the day that's been... Too long I roam in the night... After the party You took me back to your parlour... You came out of the night... Night after night in the quiet house... We're all alone on the stage tonight... You've got a Full House in your head tonight... In the warm room She prepares to go to bed... At night They're seen Laughing, Loving... One of the band told me last night... The Pyramids sound lonely tonight... I say good night-night I tuck him in tight... "Night Scented Stock..." Let's leave in plenty of time tonight... The night doesn't like it. Looks just like your face on the moon, to me... The tambourine jingle-jangles. The medium roams and rambles... When I was a child: Running in the night... I still dream of Orgonon. I wake up crying... "The Ninth Wave" ... That November night, looking up into the sky... On this Midsummer night Everyone is sleeping We go driving into the moonlight..."I'd practice scales and that on the piano, go off dancing, and then in the evening I'd come back and play the piano all night... And I just used to write until you know four in the morning, and I got a letter of complaint from a neighbor who was basically saying "Shuuut Uuuup!" cause they had to get up at like five in the morning. They did shift work and my voice had been carried the whole length of the street I think, so they weren't too appreciative." "I was dancing every day, and singing and writing all night." "...and I'd open all the windows and wail away all night." "I wrote in my flat, sitting at the upright piano one night in March at about midnight. There was a full moon and the curtains were open, and every time I looked up for ideas, I looked at the moon." EARLY KATE BUSHgaffa.org/phoenix/index.html"After, I have to go down to Abbey Road studios to re-mix the new single. We get there at about eight-fifteen. About this time I have my first bite to eat of the day--a toasted sandwich and chips. And of course, lots of cups of tea. The only way I can tell if I need food is when I feel sick. I smoke more at night, but I still usually get through less than twenty a day. John Player Special at the moment. We're still at it at three a.m. and I feel fine, but the engineer wants to call it a day. He's a great engineer, and I know he can finish it tonight, so I talk him into it. Come seven a.m. I'm not exactly perky, but I'm still not at all tired. I'm very much a nocturnal creature..." The Complete published writings of Kate Bush: Week-long Diary (1980)gaffa.org/garden/flexipop.html
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Post by tannis on Jul 31, 2008 13:49:44 GMT
Who is the man on the cover of The Dreaming?
KB: "Why, Houdini, of course!"
Kate's KBC article, Issue 14 (Fall 1993)gaffa.org/garden/kate16.htmlDate: Mon, 18 Feb 91 16:26:59 EST
Subject: The Cover
Kate was once asked (through the KBC Newsletter) the identity of the man in the photo on the cover of "The Dreaming". Her reply was, "Why, Houdini, of course."
IED's guess is that the man is Anthony Van Laast, Kate's one-time dance instructor and collaborator on the choreography for some of her early videos and the Tour of Life.
The Dreaming: General Thoughtsgaffa.org/dreaming/td_gen.htmlAnthony van Laast was also the masked man in the Hammer Horror video.
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Post by tannis on Sept 5, 2008 20:06:59 GMT
Waiting for Kate Bush In 2005, Ann Powers co-wrote the book Piece by Piece with musician Tori Amos. Powers is now set to publish a book on The Dreaming. The Publishing Date has been revised from 31-Aug-2008 to Oct-2009...Kate Bush's the Dreaming (Paperback) ~ Ann Powers
This book contains tales that directly inspired Bush's lyrics, others illuminate them; all are part of the tapestry of truth and exaggeration that Bush took up with The Dreaming.Thursday, January 26, 2006
21 New Books for the Series
Anyway, I'm very pleased to announce that we'll be publishing the following books in the 33 1/3 series during 2007 and 2008: "The Dreaming" by Ann Powers
33third.blogspot.com/2006/01/21-new-books-for-series.html
Product Details
ISBN: 9780826428820
Format: Paperback
Pages: 160
Publish Date: October 2009
Publisher: Continuum Intl Pub Group
Item Number: CONTU64288233 1/3 (Thirty-Three and a Third) is a series of books written about important and/or seminal music albums. Written by one author per album, the series is published by Continuum Books, a division of the Continuum International Publishing Group, and is edited by David Barker.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33%E2%85%93
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Post by tannis on Sept 6, 2008 22:56:58 GMT
Tannis, you could practically put together a book of different Kate related connections and interpretations. I know I'd read it. Thank you for your generous and always fascinating contributions.
This forum is just great for wandering from one KaTe KonnecTion to the next dot, drawing lines to reveal a hidden KT picture! I wonder if Ann Powers has read through The Dreaming section, and if The Sensual World of Kate Bush might get a 'special thanks' acknowledgement? ... ;D
But if I put together a book of KaTe KonnecTions, would KaTe read it? And would other fans consider it "absolute rubbish" ...FAN: As far as books on Kate Bush, that have been published, they seem to be absolute rubbish.
PADDY AND JAY: YEAH!
FAN: They've made Jay out to be some morose figure who hides in dark alleys..
JAY: Yeah. [Laughter from audience]
FAN: And your whole family to be eccentric. Do you resent that and could Kate Bush put the record straight by writing her own biography?
JAY: I think, yes, initially we resented it and it was a bit of a shock and that's the usually process, finding out whether I wanted to do anything to stop it, because a lot of it was quite unpleasant and very un-[ flattering] to me. And we decided that we wouldn't because that would fuel the fire of the sort of people who were doing it.
PADDY: [Makes funny voice] Nasty Bushes! Stop us going to press! [? inaudible] Us! [Laughter from Audience]
JAY: Actually for her to do a book we find it's rather difficult because she doesn't get on the [ planet] that long. And slight attempts were made of it but I think actually seeing your life spread out in one big long effort is very weird sensation. So, no, they haven't have. Whether they will in the future, I don't know. I doubt it somehow. But I'm sure they'll be plenty more books as far as the ones we've been talking about now. But it's just an unfortunate aspect of the music industry. But, as you say, they are rubbish and they're rubbish in so many details, not in what they say about us but just in what they call "fact" is all wrong. And they don't rely them at all, [ inaudible]
FAN: Did Fred Vermorel every meet you?
JAY: No, nor Paddy.
PADDY: No, not one of us.
[Inaudible and Laughter]
JAY: He wants to know where he could find us. [More laughter] Just for our own person protection from him, you know he went through our dust bins, too. Some people make a living... [ inaudible]
Convention 1985 Romford, Englandgaffa.org/dreaming/con_85.htmlDocumentary:Come back Kate...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtmW3NhVbw
From the Dutch documentary "Come back Kate", in which Kate Bush fans tell about their passion for Kate. Here is a clip from Fred Vermorel, who wrote a book about Kate years ago...
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flattering] to me. And we decided that we wouldn't because that would fuel the fire of the sort of people who were doing it.