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Post by Lori on Jul 30, 2003 23:27:12 GMT
Okay, remember Okay, remember That we have just allowed Half an hour To get in, do it, and get out
The sense of adventure Is changing to danger The signal has been given I go in The crime begins
My excitement Turns into fright
All my words fade What am I gonna say? Mustn't give the game away
We're waiting We're waiting We're waiting
We got the job sussed This shop's shut for business The lookout has parked the car But kept the engine running Three beeps means trouble's coming
I hope you remember To treat the gelignite tenderly for me I'm having dreams about things Not going right Let's leave in plenty of time tonight
Both my partners Act like actors You are Bogart He is George Raft That leaves Cagney and me ("What about Edward G.?")
We're waiting We're waiting We're waiting
You blow the safe up Then all I know is I wake up Covered in rubble. One of the rabble Needs mummy ("What's all this then?") The government will never find the money ("What's all this then?")
I've been here all day A star in strange ways Apart from a photograph They'll get nothing from me Not until they let me see my solicitor
Ooh, I remember That rich, windy weather When you would carry me Pockets floating In the breeze
Ooh, there goes a tenner Hey, look! There's a fiver There's a ten-shilling note Remember them? That's when we used to vote for him
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Post by strabley on Aug 29, 2003 6:59:57 GMT
I'm sure I'm being stupid here, but will somebody explain the math? "Both my partners act like actors (that implies 3 of them) "you are Bogart he is George Raft, that leaves Cagney and me..." Now there is four? What am I missing in the lyrics here?
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 29, 2003 13:10:08 GMT
"What about Edward G." (Edward G. Robinson) This quote (lyric) I used to erroneously hear as 'quarterpounder with cheese' Or maybe Cagney is the driver out in the car. Either way I don't lose sleep over it. ;D There are four of them in the video.
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Post by Banshee on Feb 2, 2004 1:37:08 GMT
I thought it meant that if one was Bogart and the other was George Raft, she would have to be Gagney... I don't even know who these people are so I could be completely wrong...!
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Post by brillo69 on Feb 2, 2004 2:02:07 GMT
she's referring to the classic hollywood actors Humphrey Bogart,George Raft,and James Cagney.
hope that helps Banshee.
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Post by brillo69 on Feb 2, 2004 2:05:17 GMT
i must admit that when i first heard this song i thought the line cagney and me was referring to cagney and lacey???!!!!
how dim can i be???
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Post by Banshee on Feb 2, 2004 18:34:38 GMT
I thought so too but then I realised that that was a character, not an actor....... I only know Humphrey Bogart, so I didn't know if Bogart, G. Raft en Cagney were a likely combination (which would then indicate that she had to be Cagney........) etc. etc.
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Post by Adey on Feb 3, 2004 1:32:32 GMT
Banshee, I'd just like to say that your dragon looks harder than mine...
Care to swap?
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Post by Banshee on Feb 5, 2004 15:09:54 GMT
Ehrmm.... well if you feed it after 12 pm it might turn into a dragon like your's. Or maybe its the other way around, heheheh ;D
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Post by Adey on Feb 13, 2004 10:38:35 GMT
I think I need some help with this song - it's been niggling at me for years.
If you take it on the surface, then it's a odd little song about a crime - it's planning and execution. BUT the chorus is what throws me and makes me think I'm maybe missing a bigger point.
"We're waiting" waiting for what? The safe to blow?
Also, oddly out of place is the end of the last verse, "Ooh I remember that rich windy weather" through to the end. I think I get the image of safe destroyed and the money it contained blowing in the wind, but what about the last line - straight out of left field it seems:
(remember) "Thats when we used to vote for him" Err?
So, do you need to think that maybe the song is an analogy for something else? The whole song? or just this part of the verse?
Has anybody got any thoughts or are am I going to have to brave the dark catacombs of Gaffaweb...
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Post by Sto on Feb 13, 2004 14:13:05 GMT
"Thats when we used to vote for him" Err? Agreed, this line doesn't seem to fit with the (or at least my) ordinary understanding of the song. Anyone?
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 13, 2004 14:48:29 GMT
I think I need some help with this song - it's been niggling at me for years. This used to nag at me as well. I've read several opinions on the possible meanings and have drawn some of my own hybrid conclusions. This is why a listing of the lyrics would aid discussion here. Short of that, I trust anyone interested can reference them through another source for now. Maybe for British monetary and economic freedom. The arrival of Margaret Thatcher or even reprecussions of the 'Currency Act' The precise point is less important than the idea that someone (the elite?) is holding all the money. Blowing the lid off the greed and corruption would make some 'stars in a strange way (s) s.b. 'Strangeways' has been assumed to be everything from a prison/mental hospital to a motel Here's the way I'd break it down: * Remember that rich windy weather? - a pleasant nostalgic memory. * You used to carry me. - The government support of vital social programs? * Pockets floating in the breeze - Money all around, but none in the pockets. Big business or big government have it all? * We used to vote for him - A politician on one of the notes. I think the whole song is about the need to steal back economic freedom from the policies of a particular British administration. Big business or government have people imprisoned economically. "The shop's shut for business" You notice it's not a bank they're robbing. The money is all around ("trickle down economics" ) where you might grab a little that blows from a fat cat. Possibly Wilson or Reagan/Thatcher are targets here? Also, I believe that politicians are also likened to actors. (Reagan reference?) Maybe this is a hint at the role playing dupliciteous deceptions of politics. Also (must check time-line here ) The Watergate scandal made stars in a strange way of many political operatives. I'd like to here more as well. 'Cos mine is only theory.
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Post by Xanadu on Feb 13, 2004 19:46:35 GMT
Cagney and Lacey... you have to be joking Anyway, I really like what you have posted here Al. A very thoughtful and political theory I hadn't really considered. I will have to think about the connections there, they are fascinating! I won't go into much detail yet (we'll see how things develop, right Al ) but I'll share a little about my thoughts. I like this part to discuss first: "Both my partners Act like actors: You are Bogart, He is George Raft, That leaves Cagney and me. (What about Edward G.)" If you don't know who Humphrey Bogart and James Cagney are... you have been "under a rock" and should come back after thoroughly searching the IMDB before more discussion. Moving on... the remaining stars mentioned are George Raft and Edward G. Robinson. Maybe, not quite as familiar as Cagney and Bogart, but cut from the same cloth. Their careers were marked by many tough-guy roles, often gangsters or convicts. They only rose above this on occasion, but most memorable roles involve these acts of crime. Kate has mentioned being a classic film fan (to a degree), and we have discussed it here before (and so am I). She also mentioned in previous interviews (quote to be inserted later) that she was fascinated with the cool, and calculated way these gangsters pulled off the heists. She therefore cast herself as the opposite - the naive, small time hood, nervous about the impending crime. "We're waiting" could be a possible reference to the impatience the other have with her fears. She is also the one left taking the heat. In the end, she remembers the easy days of petty crime, where pockets floated in the breeze, and they only stole small change... like a tenner and a fiver. Maybe, Al? By the way, I love her delivery of the line "Oh, I remember, that rich windy weather." Just gives me chills, her voice has taken on such depth here!
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Post by Al Truest on Feb 14, 2004 0:17:08 GMT
Could these crooks (Nixon-esque politicians) still not be represented by the 'tough guy actors'? Kate's naive character could still be the scapegoat.
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Post by Adey on Feb 14, 2004 0:30:00 GMT
My oh my, this is fascinating. Let me think abou this before I come back AT. Thanks for the work you've put in.
nb Strangeways is a UK prison, Manchester I think.
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