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Post by Lori on Jul 14, 2005 21:41:18 GMT
Discuss the album 'Never Forever' as a whole.
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Post by stev0 on Jul 17, 2005 13:37:38 GMT
For my first impression of the album, see the Lionheart Album threadUntil The Dreaming came out (and even a little while afterward), this was my favorite Kate album. All of side two was wonderful (for you youngens who don't know what a "side" is, it's everything from The Wedding List on up), and most of side one was filled with great stuff - not a song on there I would rate lower than a B (and that's even by Kate standards, where her C- songs still rate an A on the Typical Pop Music scale). |
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Post by W.HI.P on Aug 10, 2005 14:16:46 GMT
This album shows a change in direction. Although it holds some sounds from Lionheart, you can see it moving towards The Dreaming.
I've always listened to this album from start to end. I've never skipped through a song like i might with her previous releases.
You can sense some specific influence begining to flow through her with this one. It shows her potential.
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Post by CopyOfCpt (just say Cor) on Aug 14, 2005 17:23:55 GMT
I like this album: good songs which, for me, on the whole could be considered as 'the b-sides to The Dreaming'. It just lacks that little bit extra in the sense of binding the songs together. I can't discover a common denominator or links between the songs....
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Post by stev0 on Aug 15, 2005 13:53:20 GMT
Cor - actually, I think there's a stronger flow here than on The Dreaming (at least, for side 2). We start with The Wedding List, which ends with that wonderful shriek. Then we go to Violin, which starts with that wonderful shrieking guitar. Then it's on to The Infant Kiss - the best use of Loud followed by Soft since "Helter Skelter/Long, Long, Long" on the Beatles' White Album. Then that literally flows into Night Scented Stock, which lulls you then snaps you out with the clicking in Army Dreamers. And, of course, Army Dreamers and Breathing are lyrically connected in terms of subject matter. And then we end on those two wonderful bass notes.
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Post by Sheila on Aug 15, 2005 14:13:16 GMT
I like this album: good songs which, for me, on the whole could be considered as 'the b-sides to The Dreaming'. It just lacks that little bit extra in the sense of binding the songs together. I can't discover a common denominator or links between the songs.... Why is it necessary for an album to flow together? I like albums and artists who can change rapid direction like a jerky roller coaster ride all in 45 minutes! NFE is by far my favorite album! |
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Post by matanchik on Aug 15, 2005 18:55:33 GMT
i don't find the songs on NFE very different from each other. there is a certain style and magic that makes them go well together
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Post by CopyOfCpt (just say Cor) on Aug 15, 2005 18:55:49 GMT
Why is it necessary for an album to flow together? I like albums and artists who can change rapid direction like a jerky roller coaster ride all in 45 minutes! NFE is by far my favorite album! It is not absolutely necessary for me for an album to flow together, but an album that does has my preference. I am not one for one or two hit-albums. For instance I saw a concert of Frank Zappa once (no, on tv, I have never seen the good man perform live): about 2 hours of non-stop (so not even in between songs) music one song flowing into another... that made some impact on me. The Dreaming does not consist of one string of songs interlinked but there is a common theme, the base drums, the bass, the way She sings well... the songs are related. |
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Post by Al Truest on Aug 15, 2005 20:13:06 GMT
Why is it necessary for an album to flow together? I like albums and artists who can change rapid direction like a jerky roller coaster ride all in 45 minutes! NFE is by far my favorite album! It is not absolutely necessary for me for an album to flow together, but an album that does has my preference. I am not one for one or two hit-albums. For instance I saw a concert of Frank Zappa once (no, on tv, I have never seen the good man perform live): about 2 hours of non-stop (so not even in between songs) music one song flowing into another... that made some impact on me. Zappa was a musical genius. Way ahead of his audience then and now way behind it. His music is better seen and heard together i.e. performance art. I loved his use of chimes, vibes, percussion and orchestral-jazz-fusion. They each seem to me linked as expressions of the 'Capital (7 Deadly) Sins. |
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Post by stev0 on Aug 16, 2005 3:29:17 GMT
I was lucky enough to have seen Zappa in concert. One of the best shows I've ever seen.
And while most of the songs on The Dreaming are pretty dark, I don't see any theme or concept here. The Ninth Wave - this is a concept. This is a theme. Looking for gestalt in albums is like looking at shapes in clouds - just because a cloud might sort of look like a dragon doesn't mean it IS a dragon.
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Post by Kevin2 on Aug 21, 2005 12:25:00 GMT
This is my favorite Kate album and sparked my first great interest in music.
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A statement was made in a Babooshka discussion that I've been mulling over for a few days now and that is that Kate, particularly in NfE, is not one for happy endings.
I'm not sure that Kate is into endings at all, but NfE includes -
the open-ended finale of Babooshka;
the quite cheerful lyrics of Blow Away (for Bill);
and Delius, which must paint a more pleasant picture of the composer's ending days than was actually the case. I wonder how much griping "moody old man" covers...
All the songs on the album (excluding Violin and Night Scented Stock) are framed by their unhappy situations but it's only on Army Dreamers and The Wedding List that I see decidedly unhappy endings.
Do you consider NfE to be an album of unhappy endings?
And does 'Never for Ever' mean anything to anyone?
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Post by stev0 on Aug 21, 2005 16:04:50 GMT
Breathing doesn't exactly have a up ending (unless you consider global annihilation a good thing, and I know people who do), and while The Infant Kiss doesn't have a sad ending per se, the song doesn't really want to make you get up and boogie.
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Post by Kevin2 on Aug 23, 2005 12:04:36 GMT
I agree with you about Breathing - I just forgot about the song when I posted the earlier comment. Still, I don't believe that the song is *about* global annihilation. But yes, I do agree that it's there.  |
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Post by Max on Oct 2, 2005 16:36:52 GMT
I don't think Never for Ever is a concept album, But I do think it has a theme that liknks all the ongs together. In my opinion, NfE is all about humans and our emotions, and how none of it lasts forever. I think the only song that doesn't comply to this is 'Violin.' What does everyone else think about this idea?
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Post by Kevin2 on Oct 3, 2005 7:58:13 GMT
hrm... I think that Violin conforms to the criteria you mention. The crazed (in whatever form - and this *is* a crazy song - even [particularly] the piano/vocal only demo) musician has a habit of burning out quickly and yet can make a huge mark through their music and operates through emotion.
I get the feeling that this song is about Minnie, Moony, Vicious, Vicious, (Syd Barret, Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Mozart and so on) - which explains I think the inclusion of the Banshees.
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