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Post by Lori on Jul 30, 2003 23:16:13 GMT
No, I'll never give the hunt up And I won't muck it up Somehow this was it, I knew Oh maybe fate wants you dead, too We've come together in the very same room And I'm coming for you!
Do you think I'd ever let you Get away with it, huh? He swooned in warm maroon There's gas in your barrel, and I'm flooded with doom You've made a wake of our honeymoon And I'm coming for you!"
All of the headlines said 'Passion Crime 'Newlyweds Groom Shot Dead 'Mystery Man.' God help the bride! She's a widow, all in red With his red still wet She said:
I'll put him on the wedding list! I'll get him on the wedding list! I'll get him and I will not miss
And now, as I'm coming for you All I see is Rudi I die with him, again and again And I'll feel good in my revenge I'm gonna fill your head with lead And I'm coming for you!
And when it's all over you'll roll over The butt of my gun One in your belly, and one for Rudi You got what you gave by the heel of my bootie Bang-bang-out! like an old cherootie And I'm coming for you!
"All of the headlines said 'Passion Crime 'Newlyweds Groom Shot Dead 'Mystery Man.' God help the bride! She's a widow, all in red With his red still wet But she sure got him on the wedding list!
I got him on the wedding list! I got him and I did not miss! I pinned him on the wedding list!
After she shot the guy She committed suicide I'm coming, Rudi! And later, when they analysed They found a little one inside It must have been Rudi's child I shot, shot, shot honey! Never mind, she got the guy He hit the ground, Rudi! Eye for an eye Ashes to ashes Eye for an eye I hit him, hit him Oh, oh, oh, oh Rudi! Oh Rudi! Coming, coming, coming honey! Eye for an eye Rudi!
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Post by strabley on Nov 29, 2003 10:55:09 GMT
I noticed in the rating off The Red Shoes songs board that some people seem offended by the shock of a swear word in "Song of Solomon". I remember a story about how EMI wouldn't let Kate drink champagne at her record release party because they were afraid of ruining her rep as an English rose. Kate smokes, she drinks, she smokes herb...the media never let her be her true self. Will we as her fans let her be that?
I guess what I'm getting at is------do you really think the original lyrics were "...and I won't muck it up" or was it a word that rhymes with "muck" that they wouldn't let her use??? Your thoughts, anyone?
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Post by Sven Golly on Nov 29, 2003 18:26:56 GMT
I don't think Kate Bush would allow EMI to tamper with her lyrical content. As far as her rep goes, if Johnny Lydon bowes at her feet, then I believe her edge is discernable by her true fans, As far as the rest of the public 'Muck-em'!
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Post by strabley on Dec 1, 2003 9:36:29 GMT
I've always been a vulgar one. Sorry to stoop.
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Post by Xanadu on Dec 3, 2003 19:23:21 GMT
I think you could be on to something there, Sheila. Perhaps she was a little young at the time and felt it should be changed herself, as to not limit the potential of the song and offend anyone. As she matures, she may have learned not to censor herself. Remember... she was quite young still during the first three albums. Kate herself wasn't quite as happy with the albums until she obtained complete control, which wasn't until she shared production on NFE, and then later TD. She really decides (in my opinion) to "leave it open" and all that entails with The Dreaming. Personally, I like to think of Kate as a normal person. Vices and all. Some people choose to idolize celebrities, which of course they could never live up to. Kate is a complex individual and there are aspects of "an English rose" but also of a sexy, playful, humorous woman who is trying to enjoy life. I don't think she'd like to be labeled as anything... I know I wouldn't. So, don't appologize Sheila... you haven't insulted anyone (I don't think ). I love that you have expressed some thoughts about the song. And, by the way, this is probably one of my top 5 favorites, so I listen to this song a lot! ;D (and that had occured to me once or twice while I was singing along, a slip of the tongue really!)
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Post by Xanadu on Sept 10, 2004 22:45:47 GMT
So, has anyone here seen Kill Bill 1 & 2? Am I the only one that thought the idea was strangely close to the story in this song? I think he (Quentin) should have, at least, included this in the film. But maybe then he'd have to give credit to Kate for the inspiration after drawing attention to it. He probably wants everyone to think he's terribly original. Considering his films have both a tongue-in-cheek camp and reverential style about the 70's, I think this would have fit well. Anyone?
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Post by Al Truest on Sept 10, 2004 22:50:41 GMT
I haven't seen Kill Bill 1 or 2; but, could they not have both drawn their inspiration from the same or similar sources independently? You are more than likely right tho'.
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Post by Xanadu on Sept 10, 2004 22:59:45 GMT
Oh, I'm just being snide. I'm not a BIG Tarantino fan, not because I don't like his films - I do, to a degree - but I don't think he's the gift to film the they have positioned him as. So I like to cut him down a little. ;D I do think the song in the film would have been inspired, and led to a whole new audience for Kate. Tell me what you think when you see the film. Anyone else? I'm not saying is derivative, just want to discuss the irony.
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Post by Adey on Sept 11, 2004 2:37:07 GMT
Enjoyed them both enough to have acquired the DVDs. KB (Kill Bill or Kate Bush?!) 2 especially. Best performances I've seen from Carradine & Thurman especially..
Inspired by the Wedding List? Could be, but the revenge is for herself and her 'lost' child, rather than her husband to be.
Oh and I agree with Xan, Tarrantino is somewhat over lauded but brilliant on these two.
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Post by matanchik on Jan 14, 2005 10:17:57 GMT
I also thinks that "The wedding list" should be on Kill Bill, It is almost the same story, she could re-record it and change the name from rudie to Bill
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Post by Adey on Jan 14, 2005 11:16:07 GMT
Interesting thought Matanchik - The Bride is supposed to be a joint Thurman/Tarrantino creation. Pity Kate didn't claim a copyright on the concept! You might also want to check the song lyrics again - Rudy was the groom/victim rather than the killer..
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Post by mizzshy on Apr 21, 2006 20:18:23 GMT
I've had many thoughts on this song. I love it and I have a list here (N.B. Not all these theories go together):
1) Maybe the groom and the person who shot him were the same person.
2) Maybe she even arranged for this man to come shoot him and she's actually not upset at all.
3) I can never hear the lyrics in the last bit, where Kate is singing with backing voices (I know that's a bad example, but I can't explain it that well...) but I'm sure I can here the words "after she shot the guy, she commited suicide..." and maybe that's important; that could be why she has a lot of... sort of... groaning or something... on the track... when she keeps saying "I'm coming, honey" and that sort of thing... she could be in the process of killing herself.
Yeah, my theories are useless...
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Post by tannis on Apr 22, 2008 19:56:02 GMT
"The five men who killed the groom made one mistake... they should have killed the bride... François Truffaut's The Bride Wore Black..." from: The Bride Wore Black (1968) Theatrical Trailerwww.youtube.com/watch?v=xbb7LBLJvocLa Mariée était en Noir"Director Truffaut had a well-documented affection for Alfred Hitchcock and set out here to pay homage to him. Moreau plays a driven, almost impenetrable woman who is hell-bent on exacting revenge upon five men who have wronged her. On the day of her wedding, someone shot and killed the groom, her life-long love, and she, after considering suicide herself, sets out to even the score. She methodically enters the lives, albeit briefly, of each man she holds responsible, planning his demise to some degree, yet taking into consideration the surroundings and the devices at hand when carrying out the killings. She then checks them off as though they were items on a grocery list before moving on to the next one..." www.imdb.com/title/tt0061955/usercommentsNo, I'll never give the hunt up And I won't muck it up Somehow this was it, I knew Oh maybe fate wants you dead, too We've come together in the very same room And I'm coming for you!Hmmmm. The darker side of her emotions shows the lady as down-to-earth as her surname befits. In fact, it's more than realistic: it's downright sinister. Hence 'The Wedding List' and its obsession with revenge. What happens here is that at the point two people are about to be married, the bridegroom gets shot. Who by is irrelevant, but the bride's need for vengeance is so powerful that all she thinks about is getting even with the villain. Since his death is the best wedding gift she could have, he goes right to the top of the (wedding) list. KB: "Revenge is a terrible power, and the idea is to show that it's so strong that even at such a tragic time it's all she can think about. I find the whole aggression of human beings fascinating--how we are suddenly whipped up to such an extent that we can't see anything except that. Did you see the film 'Deathwish', and the way the audience reacted every time a mugger got shot? Terrible--though I cheered, myself." "Among The Bushes"gaffa.org/reaching/i80_rm.htmlKate Bush - The Wedding List (Xmas Special 1979): Great qualwww.youtube.com/watch?v=9DzVwUeeRk0In "The Wedding List (Xmas Special 1979)", Paddy Bush plays Bill, the man who KB is going to kill.
Interviewer: Is it sort of a bit of a family business, really? PB: Um, well, yes and no. I mean like, Kate and I have been making music together for years and years, on different levels, you know. But, there's always been music in our family. My older brother John, he played. And I was in a band with him when I was about thirteen or fourteen. Kate Bush - Nationwide special bit 2www.youtube.com/watch?v=meaGiD_yD7gDo you think I'd ever let you Get away with it, huh?"The Wedding List" draws on Truffaut's film, and IMHO, is an incredibly cinematic song, rather like a movie pitch, made up of flashback and newspaper reportage. And long before Tarantino's Kill Bill.In Part One, she goes off to find and confront her groom's killer. Meanwhile, punny headlines are reporting the murder of the groom and the bride's fury. In Part Two, we return to the mind of the killer bride. All she sees is red rum and red Rudi! And her 'passion crime' is to kill the killer! Then we return to newspaper reports, cut with flashbacks of her committing suicide. The crime has been avenged, bodies analysed, and newspapers printed. The chorus, perhaps reading from the tabloid press, is trying to make sense of it all. An eye for an eye!After she shot the guy She committed suicide And later when they analysed They found a little one inside It must have been Rudi's child...Now I have not seen The Bride Wore Black, so I do not know if the Jeanne Moreau character actually kills herself or was ever pregnant. But TWL has some of KT's weirdest pop song lyrics. In the darkly humorous 'Coffee Homeground', KT sings down in the cellar of "Pictures of Crippin Lipstick-smeared". Dr Crippen dabbled in all sorts, including the possibility of backstreet abortions. And with 'The Wedding List', KT Bush sings about autopsy long before Dr Gunther von Hagens' Anatomy for Beginners! Of course, Dr Bush was a doctor, so the major anatomy textbook, Gray's Anatomy, was probably tucked away on the Bush bookshelf.In 'The Wedding List', does The Bride know she is pregnant before she commits suicide? The "later when they analysed" suggests that she was not 'heavy-bellied'. But: "never mind, she got the guy!"
In 'The Kick Inside', KT also chooses to have a pregnant protagonist commit suicide. 'The Kick Inside' & 'The Wedding List' I'm giving it all in a moment, for you...And now, as I'm coming for you...This kicking here inside Makes me leave you behind...And later, when they analysed They found a little one inside...Shot into the killer storm...She committed suicide...In context, the statement "it must have been Rudi's child" is a supposition. But is it part of the newspaper report, made by the post-mortem examiner (a bloody fact)? Or is it a conclusion drawn by the Daily Newspaper reader (a foggy fiction)? "I have wondered myself whether this means the other guy was a jealous, dumped, ex-lover and the true father of the woman's child (quite a motive for murder, eh?)."gaffa.org/dreaming/nfe.html#weddingIt must have been Rudi's child. Never mind, she got the guy. Eye for an eye...The "Christmas" TV special, U.K. TV, aired December 28, 1979. This forty-five-minute television programme is the only longform televised performance Kate has given to date. It is by any standard a great success. Not one spoken word is heard--only song and dance. Kate's only guest (aside from the KT Bush Band and her usual dance partners) is Peter Gabriel. [In The Wedding List, Paddy Bush plays Bill, the man who KB is going to kill. The groom is played by Anthony van Laast, the Tour of Life co-choreographer.] The video sections incorporate imagery based on old westerns as well as the Truffaut film. The stage section of the performance is very similar to the live choreography for James and the Cold Gun, in which Kate's character goes on the rampage with a rifle. gaffa.org/passing/v79_dec.htmlA Wardrobe Malfunction... Kate Bush - The Weddist List (Prince's Trust Concert)www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FbWTbLSnNMKate Bush & Kill Bill... Kill Bill - Kate Bush - The Wedding Listwww.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRw_MuD1yw
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Post by paddy on Apr 22, 2008 23:49:50 GMT
Tannis, another fascinating review. This one really caught my eye as I was a great fan of François Truffaut back in those early years of KB's career, but alas - living in Nova Scotia at the time - it was difficult to get to see very many of his films, and I only saw a few of them.
Nonetheless, it wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that KB was inspired by Truffaut's art. The quiet strength of his vision and individualism would go well with her own. And indeed I could see a Jeanne Moreau character as being very compelling to Kate - Moreau's characterizations have always been so strong.
Thanks for continuing to so eloquently expand upon the themes in Kate's work.
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Post by rosabelbelieve on Apr 23, 2008 0:07:22 GMT
Yes, Tannis, I enjoyed this as well. It is a very cinematic song, and the information on the film which inspired it is very fascinating.
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