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Post by Al Truest on Jan 6, 2004 17:27:36 GMT
"The birth of the groove, the secret history of rhythm, the light gravity of bodies moving in dance, a child's laugh, a monk's prayer, the sound of song before language." from the CD liner notes of Mickey Hart's Planet Drum "Supralingua".What does the new year hold in store? We have all speculated about what the new Kate Bush album will sound like. In fact we've done a thread on this board about it last year. But what else is changing in the world of music? As the world's cultures become more understood; how will they meld, and what will be the new sounds? Artists like Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel and AfroCelts to name only a few, have already begun fusing these cultural influences and artists. Mickey Hart (former Grateful Dead drummer) and Joe Zawinul have been doing this for quite a long time. I'd like to offer some of my favorite unique trends in musical marriages, mixed with some complementary Kate Bush tracks. If you'd like you can look these up and listen. Or you may add your own selections to the list. All comments are welcomed and encouraged: "Indoscrub" from Mickey Hart's 'Supralingua'"Sensual World" Kate Bush from 'The Sensual World'"Bering Strait' from artist and album of the same name"Jig of Life" Kate Bush from 'Hounds of Love'"Poruska-Paranya' from 'Bering Strait'**Bering Strait is a group of young Russians from Minsk who fell in love with American Bluegrass music. They've moved to Nashville to persue their dreams, much to the dismay of some of their parents (one of which is a nuclear scientist). The fact is that they've made more money on tips in one week performing in clubs (I've seen them play) here, than the father makes in a month. They've been nominated for a 2003 Grammy award. Their russian interpretation of Bluegrass is very uplifting. Listen if you can. I have often wondered how Kate Bush would sound merging Irish folk music with American Bluegrass. I believe the two genres share celtic roots (along with Appalachian country music). Does anyone else see this? I would like to hear all of your comments and suggestions.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 7, 2004 3:42:00 GMT
I just visited Amazon to see if there were audio samples for the two albums I chose for this month's playlist. You can find some of the song samples @ Amazon, but not the one's I listed. So your alternatives are: * Go to Borders and listen there. (they should stock these) * Pay to download these tracks. (well worth the money) * Buy them! (you won't regret it!) * suggest a more accessible song or two (That matches the theme) Anyway, start some dialogue. Ammendment: I'm pulling my endorsement of the Bering Strait CD in it's entirety. The novelty has worn off for me now. Don't get me wrong, they are marvelous muscians (especially live) but some of the tracks sound more county than bluegrass to me now. Still download the two from the list though, they're really good. There are also some influences that I hear from Steey Dan and Dire Straits. So not a bad buy, just not my whole-hearted support.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 7, 2004 23:25:09 GMT
Al, are you a musician yourself?
Your appreciation of diverse music suggests to me that if you are not an artist yourself, you are not far off.
Can you imagine this marriage?:
Classical-Afro-Russian.
I've heard it.
2006.
The Band?
"The Original Revolution."
Its on the way.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 8, 2004 1:29:45 GMT
I'm a drummer and you're a nutter. ;D Sorry. J/K That 2006 just kinda worries me. But In case you haven't noticed, I'm into percussion, rhythm and bass. They're a good foil to the ethereal qualities in Kate Bush's voice.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 8, 2004 14:32:31 GMT
[I'm a drummer and you're a nutter. ;D Sorry. J/K That 2006 just kinda worries me. To put your mind at rest Al (hopefully), all this is is creative visualisation. Have you ever read "The Never Ending Story" by Michael Ende? The hero of the tale, Bastian makes up a story which turns out to be true. I've managed to do it on six seperate occasions. This has shown me it is possible to tune in to possible future scenarios and help them become real. It is like many things in life, experience helps you realise the boundaries of the possible are ever receding should you be brave enough to explore.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 8, 2004 14:32:56 GMT
[I'm a drummer and you're a nutter. ;D Sorry. J/K That 2006 just kinda worries me. To put your mind at rest Al (hopefully), all this is is creative visualisation. Have you ever read "The Never Ending Story" by Michael Ende? The hero of the tale, Bastian makes up a story which turns out to be true. I've managed to do it on six seperate occasions. This has shown me it is possible to tune in to possible future scenarios and help them become real. It is like many things in life, experience helps you realise the boundaries of the possible are ever receding should you be brave enough to explore. Which dimension am I on?
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Post by Sven Golly on Jan 8, 2004 14:56:10 GMT
Orange Sunshine.
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Post by Xanadu on Jan 8, 2004 19:42:06 GMT
Have you ever read "The Never Ending Story" by Michael Ende? The hero of the tale, Bastian makes up a story which turns out to be true. Book: "The beginning is always dark, my Bastian."Book: "Human passions have mysterious ways... those affected by them can't explain them, and those who haven't known them have no understanding of them at all."Film Fave: "Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has the control has the power... Don't you know anything about Fantasia? It's the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it, is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefore, it has no boundaries. But why is Fantasia dying then? Because people have begun to loose their hopes and forget their dreams. So The Nothing grows stronger. What is The Nothing? It's the emptiness that's left. It's like a despair, destroying this world. And I have been trying to help it. But why? Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has control has the power. Who are you really? I am the servant of the power behind The Nothing."Have you ever felt this in your current life, with those you encounter everyday (i.e. family, friends, co-workers, etc.)? Those without spirit, hope, dreams, desires, interests and passions? That these people are easy to control, without feeling any loss of it? Altruest, this is for you too. Sorry for the interference in your thread, but I wanted to pick this up, since it also relates to our PM discussion.But this may be of some importance to you New One: "You wish for something, you've wanted it for years and you're sure you want it, as long as you know you can't have it. But if all at once it looks as though your wish might come true, you suddenly find yourself wishing you had never wished for any such thing."
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Post by Xanadu on Jan 8, 2004 19:58:48 GMT
I have often wondered how Kate Bush would sound merging Irish folk music with American Bluegrass. I believe the two genres share celtic roots (along with Appalachian country music). Does anyone else see this? I would like to hear all of your comments and suggestions. Can't say that I have. Actually, I'm not a fan of American Bluegrass. As a matter of fact, you've hit on a pretty hard sell here, Al. But I am open and will try to listen to some of your suggestions. I can agree that I am interested in new fusions, and have even found myself enjoying some I would have considered to be very unappealing. An example: The Blind Boys of Alabama on Peter Gabriel's recent soundtrack for Rabbit Proof Fence (titled The Long Walk Home) and the song on his album "Up" titled "Sky Blue" has become one of my favorites. And The Blind Boys are certainly not something I would have been interested in previously. I will think about this and look for more fusions in my collection. Unfortunately, I seem to be in a strange music mood lately... and appear to be not even listening to anything similiar. But, it's a good thread. I hope there are some of you with more to add at the moment.
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Post by Neo Stella on Jan 8, 2004 21:25:29 GMT
But this may be of some importance to you New One: "You wish for something, you've wanted it for years and you're sure you want it, as long as you know you can't have it. But if all at once it looks as though your wish might come true, you suddenly find yourself wishing you had never wished for any such thing." Have you ever held a mirror up to my face! Zan, you are a genius! Summed up my entire life in one quote. I've read the book several times, yet this never sunk in ......until now. Be careful what you wish for......you may just get it! If you are not playing a big enough game, you'll mess it up just to give yourself something to do. If you want to be......ACT. Am I ready for the show? "Its not for real, he just holds his breath." WOW.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 8, 2004 23:00:46 GMT
I've tried to read "NES" but I can never quite finish it. I indeed have read it and seen the movie/s. Your points are well taken 'Zan. However, I'm really not into as much fantasy as I was. Still I enjoy fascination, wonder and intrigue. It's just that I prefer my own ideas and imagination over someone else's laid out vision. Music and mysterious literature are of the most appeal, I think. If conclusions are to clear, then you've lost my interest. Bluegrass I'll grant you might be a hard sell. I don't listen to it myself. However, I did appreciate the translation from these classically trained young musicians, Two tracks on the album bolstered my faith in humanity. If counrtry fans, with all the stereotypes you can imagine associated with that classification, can embrace a progressive version of their traditional music; then there is real social progress being made. Listen before you judge. I try not to be a musical snob. In fact I think I'll start a thread of 'guilty pleasures'. For example, regardless of the message or the controversy, Tammy Wynette's "Stand by Your Man" is fraught with raw emotion and power. I can appreciate talent, regardless of the genre. I'm with you on the Blind Boys of Alabama. Peter Gabriel searches out talent from all over the world. To me hearing the music of other cultures makes me feel closer to humanity. Music has built more bridges in race relations and social awareness than all the politicians combined. Music is pro-active. If I hear what you feel instead of what you say; then I know you better. One world is enough for all of us.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 9, 2004 0:03:20 GMT
I got off task for a moment Zan. You were making the point about the 'nothing' getting larger. How are you relating this to 'Six of One'?
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Post by Xanadu on Jan 9, 2004 2:28:07 GMT
I got off task for a moment Zan. You were making the point about the 'nothing' getting larger. How are you relating this to 'Six of One'? The concept of the controlling forces attempting "by hook, or by crook" to crush individuality. Our individual spirit is our driving force... and many people easily surrender this unknowingly as they grow older.. to fit into society. Otherwise, they fear being considered "unmutual." This is exactly what those wielding the power want, and it's what their given everyday. What adults don't comprehend is the general depression and longing that is left behind, or "The Nothing" for this purpose. Try to please it with relationships, family, work, money, drugs, etc.... but you're causing it. You must relieve the pain of your inner spirit before any other part of your life can be fulfilling. I understood NES better as an adult. The destruction and characters are only symbols in an allegory. So is what I am discussing in Six of One. An allegory set in a perfect replica of society.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 9, 2004 5:58:59 GMT
The concept of the controlling forces attempting "by hook, or by crook" to crush individuality. Our individual spirit is our driving force... and many people easily surrender this unknowingly as they grow older.. to fit into society. Otherwise, they fear being considered "unmutual." At first I thought we were veering of course on the topic, but, I couldn't have asked for a better line of thought. The literature and music that we are discussing is so uncoventional and spiritually uplifting . It is the perfect counter to the nothingness that succumbs those who close their minds and hearts.As maybe the oldest member of this forum, I must say that the propensity to conform can creep up on you with age. It is with much joy, however, that I remain a non-conformist in my prevailing lucid moments. I must revisit "NES" with a fresh eye. It's been more than a decade since I saw the movie, and much longer since reading the book.
My introductory philosphy course flashed back when you mentioned the allegory of the societal model contained within the referenced sources. Plato's "Allegory of the Cave," wherein we are likened to those souls chained to back of the cave. There our restrained heads are only able to focus on the reflections cast by puppeteers standing on the parapets surrounding the fire that burns behind us. This fire. and the light of the sun, represent a different reality than what we are allowed to see.. We see the shadows and hear the echoes there. Yet it is the only 'truth' we know.
It is with this early lesson that I learned that things are not always as they seem. Healthy skeptism is vital in keeping unbridled zeal and capriciousness in check. (if I'm not careful here, I'm going to get into my response to faith and justice question on another thread )
Anway. I hope this is the direction you were headed, Zan. 'Cos it fits right in with this thread, the "Prisoner" dialogue that has transpired, as well as the thread on spirtual power on the C.O.N.T.R.O.L. board (hint-hint NEO]
I'd like to hear some other thoughts here, as well as more musical suggestions on this theme. Maybe someone would like to argue the point of artist's like Kate Bush being the inoculation for ' nothingness'
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Post by Sven Golly on Jan 9, 2004 16:41:57 GMT
Can't say that I have. Actually, I'm not a fan of American Bluegrass. As a matter of fact, you've hit on a pretty hard sell here, Al. But I am open and will try to listen to some of your suggestions. I can agree that I am interested in new fusions, and have even found myself enjoying some..... But sometimes....if you mix mud with ice cream. People often mix dog breeds. For awhile anything with a poodle was put in newspaper ads. Pek-apoo, cock-apoo etc. It got riduculous. Somehow though we reach a point of diminishing returns. A Bassett-poo would just not work.
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