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Post by Neo Stella on Nov 11, 2003 22:22:32 GMT
MM, glad to hear you have an open mind. Discipline certainly gives you a power to explore along definite lines and some ideas can lead you away from progress you may be making. Yet many times human understanding has extended when thinkers have dared to reach out of their particular discipline. There have been various scientific studies that have shown the power of belief to have a profound effect on curing illnesses e.g. the placebo effect, patients taking tablets they believed were drugs when infact they were just chalk, yet they had the same effect the drugs would have had. There has to be no doubt in their mind for it to work. This is one of the reasons for the success of hypnotherapy. The main obstacle for western medicine's understanding of the Chi energy and why acupuncture works is there is no physical evidence showing how it works. As I've said before, science up until recent times always needed to reduce things to the physical level. Real understanding is only possible with all the levels including imagination. Then a new view of the universe and everything in it can take shape. With regard to your first comment, no, I am not a millionaire. The book helped open my mind to what is possible. Money has never been a motivation for me. Having an artist soul I've always felt there are more important things to focus on. Yes, the money system has helped build the most powerful nation on earth and is being copied the world over. Yet I can't help believing there is a better system to come. Idealism? Well, ideals are like stars, we may never reach them yet we will always benefit from their light. Thanks for connecting.
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Post by Al Truest on Nov 12, 2003 14:29:40 GMT
The problem with trying to prove the spirtual side of anything is measurement. You can't rely on any predictable outcome, without empirical data. So nutballs and geniuses sometimes must share the same bench.
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Post by Neo Stella on Nov 12, 2003 16:00:09 GMT
Are there two sides to the bench? I think it always depends on how you look at it and how you measure it.
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Post by Sven Golly on Nov 13, 2003 0:15:35 GMT
Does it matter? Both are on the sidelines.
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Post by Al Truest on Nov 13, 2003 14:39:19 GMT
Speaking of positive and negative energy. (MM I will address "collective conciousness" tonight in another post); what role, do you think, balance plays in inner peace vs turmoil? An existential question maybe; but, I have my own thoughts here. I'd like to hear from some of you first though. Maybe some of you that haven't joined this line of thought yet.
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Post by madscientist on Nov 13, 2003 19:36:53 GMT
MMMmmmm. Sounds a bit like me to yin and yang. A mind in turmoil can have no control. A mind in constant inner peace can have no inspiration as it is content within itself and it's situation. So you always need one to balance the other. Concidering which noice board we're on I feel a song line comming on..."we humans got it all, we perform the miracles". Look forward to more about collective conciouness later. Take care all. MM Smile.... ....it makes people wonder what you've been up to
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Post by Al Truest on Nov 14, 2003 3:33:34 GMT
Hey MM, we're kind of on the same page with the eastern philosophy references. See I have a unified theory working. I'm afraid, though, my hybrid philosophy is so convuluted, that it may be difficult to explain, without sounding looney . My intentions were to post my own thoghts on 'collective consciousness.' But, in an effort to quantify some of my as-sumptions (censors! ), I ran across this site as I was "boning up' : www.bloomingrosepress.com/collective-consciousness.htmlAn oath on my eyes, I had not read this before my last post. Although, I agree with a portion of the precepts contained in this transcript, I have my own thoughts on what 'collective consciousness' means in relationship to universal truth. So, for anyone that is interested, please read from the above-cited web-site and comment. I'll post my response to all that do likewise.
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Post by Sven Golly on Dec 4, 2003 14:19:22 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 30, 2004 14:36:53 GMT
Here's another good thread that needs to be revived. The challenge to read and respond goes for this one too.
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Post by Al Truest on Apr 24, 2004 21:15:35 GMT
It is my belief that the incongruity between the theory's of realitivity and quantum mechanics will not be solved mathmatically. Ultimately math and physics will explain the unified theory, but the inspiration will come from artists and philosophers who, standing on the shoulders of their predecessors, can grasp the concepts of a universal code, which may be known for now as "Strings" The Mandelbrot set, the double helix of DNA and the existience of black holes all display a pattern of cycles and regeneration. I believe that time, space and reality are in a constant state of flux and reguvenation. The absolute core of all that exists, I think is like the eye of a hurricane. More precisely a black hole. The center can be known as enlightenment, nirvana, heaven or the supreme being if you will. Therein a continous loop of time and space is consumed and then reborn. The universe, I theorize, is both expanding and collapsing on opposite sides of itself simultaneously. The symbol for infinity shows the center to have no beginning or end. Following the line of this symbol, foward becomes reverse, up becomes down and so on. (the 'ten dimensions' theory of 'Strings' is lost on me here, but read on).. This concept can be explained by Einsteins theory of realitivity on a large scale. The problem with applying the priciples of quantum mechanics to the larger universe is that scientists are (erroneously) extrapilating their formulas under the assumption that the universe is constantly expanding. I believe they are wrong. I also believe that positive and negative forces marshall each and every atomic particle into action or stasis, thereby creating a subatomic model analogous with the larger universe. 'For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'. This, I believe, happens on an emotional and spirtual level as well. It is more than cause and effect. There is chemistry involved in all of life's emotions. Smell, sight, taste, sound etc. can orchestrate the release of adreneline, endorphines, blood flow or saliva. Even memory is believed to be a chemical imprint that can re-invigorate the senses based on past experience. Anyway...Lust begets satiation. Hate>Anger. Love>Peace and so on. These harmonious or opposite forces drive the atomic engines that make up every living thing. Quantum mechanics can handle explaining concepts on a sub-atomic level. If we assume that the universe is NOT ever expanding, then I think the two theory's can co-exist. The missing element is the stimuli for setting all of the atomic and chemical reactions that spark life into evolutionary motion. Here is the hard part... Strings.. These theorized subatomic bands or wavelengths are easier to expain in light of my previous comments. I think they are like musical notes or vibrations. (this is someone else's revelation-not mine) that dictate the movement and formulate the "Universal Code" for all of creation. The tone for each of these strings, I believe is created by the intial "Big Bang" of compressed matter at the center of the universe. This process I think is ongoing though. See I believe that there is no beginning or end to the universe. We are only limited by our perceptions and our ignorance. But, I also think that the collective conciousness of mankind can alter the reverberations of these strings. Some individuals will shape this awareness, for better or worse, more than others e.g. Jesus, Buddha, Hitler etc.. The power and the glory of these concepts can be mutually enjoyed by the religious and the humanists (if this rheory could be proven ). Life and decay then become the alpha and omega. Spirtual and intellectual enlightment, wisdom, heaven or almost any theological/philosophical belief that exists, can be supported by this theory. Over the top? Zan, here is where much of my vibration theory starts evolving. The sub atomic particles that may be at the root of all reality and the stimuli that is used to marshall these forces, may determine what we do and the direction we go - based on our reactions. In other words there may be atomic energy involved in reason and emotion - yin and yang - good and evil - positive and negative etc etc......The push and pull of the opposite forces is what drives our infinite, ever-expanding universe. Read more if you care to get involved.
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Post by Al Truest on Apr 26, 2004 15:09:58 GMT
Well.....
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Post by Neo Stella on May 2, 2004 7:15:36 GMT
Zan, here is where much of my vibration theory starts evolving. The sub atomic particles that may be at the root of all reality and the stimuli that is used to marshall these forces, may determine what we do and the direction we go - based on our reactions. In other words there may be atomic energy involved in reason and emotion - yin and yang - good and evil - positive and negative etc etc......The push and pull of the opposite forces is what drives our infinite, ever-expanding universe. Read more if you care to get involved. This may turn out to be true Al, this kind of thinking originated in the east and certainly unifies all different disciplines into a coherent whole. The current scientific mainstream is heading in this direction judging by the latest research of cutting edge scientists. The problem is an ancient one, how to unify the two opposites without devaluing their principles. Star Trek continually explores the idea of logic verses emotion. The ideas explored with chaos theory seem to be producing great strides forward in our understanding of how the universe works. Again it is down to a relationship between chaos and order. It is within this relationship (termed chaorder) we can begin to understand how many phenomenon occur.
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Post by Al Truest on May 7, 2004 0:53:26 GMT
This may turn out to be true Al, this kind of thinking originated in the east and certainly unifies all different disciplines into a coherent whole. The current scientific mainstream is heading in this direction judging by the latest research of cutting edge scientists. I am interested in advancing some ideas here. No, my kind of thinking about the origins of the universe does not begin in the east. It begins with string theory, observation and intuition. Evidently you have not read or understood my presumptions. The regeneration of all time space and matter make up the fuel and exhaust of the ever expanding universe. The engine is an enormous black hole that is the calm - the center - the beginning - and the end of everything. The positive and negative forces, of all types, converge to create micro models of the larger universe. Peace and understanding represent the nucleus of all physical matter and meta-physical thought from sub-atomic particles to the universe in it's swelling entirety. My theory will be upheld one day - I am sure of it. They need only ask me.
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Post by Neo Stella on May 30, 2004 12:38:10 GMT
I am interested in advancing some ideas here. No, my kind of thinking about the origins of the universe does not begin in the east. It begins with string theory, observation and intuition. The root of string theory is in the eastern ideas of The Tao. Infact even this isn't true, it is the mix of east and west that brings forth new ways of viewing the universe. Having just finished a book entitled, "Mapping Human History," a study of genetics and the spread of modern humans; the message that comes across to me is that all of life is mix and match whether you are talking genes (lifecode) or memes (ideas). Life continually invents mutations. If the hybrid contains sufficient circumstantial survival power then the offspring begins to flourish creating a new fork in the story of evolution. The views and methods we currently posses will undoubtedly evolve into ever more elaborate and complex forms of expression of life and consciousness. We are limited only by our imagination.
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