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Post by Al Truest on Jan 2, 2006 2:20:59 GMT
Lets be honest ~ Were it not for the lyric "between my legs", which immediately follows the reference to "little fish swimming", surely no-one would have thought of it as having any sort of sexual connotation. ( Craft of Love, notwithstanding). When you boil most things down, there is always a sexual connotation. Yeah, well she also said that (the song) "Sensual World" was about the earth. Well MAY-be...be it is also riddled with sexual imagery.... I don't think anyone 'owns' the reference. After all spermatozoa do swim, or more precisely whip their flagella, in a fashion similar to spawning salmon. Whipping flagella has a sexual connotation all it's own, does it not?
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Post by Adey on Jan 2, 2006 2:33:11 GMT
When you boil most things down, there is always a sexual connotation. of course! again of course - she's always acknowledged the Molly Bloom soliloquy from Joyce's Ulysses, and it's powerhouse sexual imagery I'm sure you're right. The DT poem just happened to be my own first observation of the reference. No doubt Thomas himself got it from somewhere, even if it was only from a biology text book
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 2, 2006 2:41:03 GMT
She was unable to get Joyce's family to acquiesce to using more from Ulysses verbatim, right?
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Post by Adey on Jan 2, 2006 2:46:05 GMT
You're right as I understand it. She wanted to use the original words from the sequence as their rhythm worked perfectly with what she'd already created. She was left with no alternative other than to re-write it herself, still retaining the mood and feel of the original.
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Post by Al Truest on Jan 2, 2006 2:52:38 GMT
You're right as I understand it. She wanted to use the original words from the sequence as their rhythm worked perfectly with what she'd already created. She was left with no alternative other than to re-write it herself, still retaining the mood and feel of the original. I would love to hear what the original sounded like.
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Post by Sheila on Jan 3, 2006 19:21:54 GMT
You're right as I understand it. She wanted to use the original words from the sequence as their rhythm worked perfectly with what she'd already created. She was left with no alternative other than to re-write it herself, still retaining the mood and feel of the original. I would love to hear what the original sounded like. In the fanzine I wrote for a million years ago, I figured it out except for one line. If I can find it I shall post it but I think it's buried in storage somewhere. (Where?)
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Post by gothicaljordan on Jul 11, 2010 17:48:54 GMT
Wow, I never thought of Mrs. Bartolozzi in a sexual way at all. Until now. I do agree that pretty much anything can be made sexual, though, and we all know how fond of sex Kate is
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Post by Al Truest on Jul 11, 2010 21:43:11 GMT
Wow, I never thought of Mrs. Bartolozzi in a sexual way at all. Until now. I do agree that pretty much anything can be made sexual, though, and we all know how fond of sex Kate is Some of us just think about it more than others... Kate's lyrics nonetheless are cryptic and subtle. She does not come across as blatant or pornographic. I think she finds beauty in the reproductive arts and science...
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